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« Reply #60 on: November 04, 2003, 06:54:18 PM »
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 It is stupid.
 just like it is janitor, not bathroom maintenance or whatever PC bull**** term the PC police come up with!

If there is one thing I hate more then Stupid gun laws and the stupid politicians that pass them, it is PC BS.

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« Reply #61 on: November 04, 2003, 08:27:56 PM »
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so who's to decide what are 'safe ideas' for kids to have access to?
I find it interesting that the 2 books you mentioned as bad and dangerouse happened to be fairly important to societies that believed much as you do.


the government seems to have that undercontrol so far (and some people on this board by there reactions to that noodle hatted sculpture of a bishop)...the 2 books i mentioned were examples of things that could have harmfull effects on kids...of course GToRA2 seems to know what hes doing...so im not to worried about him or his family


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I really do not think the government should protect kids more then they do adults. That is the parents job.

kids are more likely to be affected by what they read...(hell my veiws have been slightly changed thanks to you...) wich means that more precautions (like the porno thingy) have to be taken to make sure that kids dont end up being losers or criminals...

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« Reply #62 on: November 04, 2003, 09:41:15 PM »
Vorticon,

Perhaps you should read some books before this conversation goes any further.  I think you'll find that this is a battle in which you are unarmed:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0451526341/qid=1068003386/sr=8-7/ref=sr_8_7/103-8275615-0524656?v=glance&n=507846

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0451524934/qid=1068003447/sr=8-1/ref=sr_8_1/103-8275615-0524656?v=glance&n=507846

Allowing someone else to tell you what is and isn't acceptable thought is awful dangerous.
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« Reply #63 on: November 04, 2003, 10:36:31 PM »
good call chairboy,
  may I also add-
 'Brave New World' by Aldous Huxley

vorticon,
I know it probably comes off as condescending to sugest that you 'read up' before a conversation.  but these books would deffinately make the point better than I could.  not just by their content but I'm sure you could find some people who really didn't like the msg of these books and thought them dangerous.

often the more important ideas are considered the most dangerous.

you wouldn't have to go far back to find people who where considered 'enlightened' at the time, but believed strongly that the thought of a country being run by 'the unwashed masses', and not people who earned their right to rule by luck of birth, was a 'dangerous idea'.

one of my basic 'rules of thumb'  is that if you're not pissing someone off then it probably doesn't need said, anything worth saying will bring change and change anoys people.

through out your life you should always be alarmed when someone offers to do your thinking for you.


BTW- in those 2 societies we talked about, in both of them it was also widely believed that-

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the government seems to have that undercontrol so far

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« Reply #64 on: November 05, 2003, 08:59:13 AM »
thank you for the info chairboy... I agree that parents should have the right to censor their childrens content.

I also appreciate the site to send anti gun sites to in order that they may be censored equally.

I believe tho that guns are a legal, constitutional part of our society and..... like sex.... are out there waiting to be discovered... I believe that talking about sex safety is no more important than talking about gun safety...

If your child gets aids because you hid sex safety from them then it is your fault.... if your child is killed in a gun accident because he didn't have the faintest idea of gun safety then that is also your fault.
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« Reply #65 on: November 05, 2003, 09:26:44 AM »
Nazis had a real nice security in their country, I wonder did the people like that kind of a security?
Would you?




lets address it better; this was to someone who said libraries has the right to give information about what people read when needed..
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« Reply #66 on: November 05, 2003, 10:02:21 AM »
nazi's had the strictest gun control in the world.   All the axis powers had very strict gun control during WWII.   The first thing they did when they occupied a country was to disarm the populace..
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« Reply #67 on: November 05, 2003, 01:39:11 PM »
Hmmmmm Nazi's loved gun control....It was the National socialist party.

Dems love gun control.... and they are almost a National socialist party.....


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« Reply #68 on: November 05, 2003, 01:50:01 PM »
Anybody have a local library that stocks Hustler in the magazine racks?

The filters have always been in effect in libraries, and filters on the library's computers are no different.
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« Reply #69 on: November 05, 2003, 01:55:54 PM »
"one of my basic 'rules of thumb' is that if you're not pissing someone off then it probably doesn't need said, anything worth saying will bring change and change anoys people.

through out your life you should always be alarmed when someone offers to do your thinking for you. "

you didnt really notice my point...as far as im concerned once your an adult you can read what you want...until then for the most part your thinking is done by adults because you cant make good decisions and certain material is harmfull...just because its a written idea doesnt mean its not as harmfull as pornography. would YOU want a bunch of kids growing up thinking that stalin or hitler were right???
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« Reply #70 on: November 05, 2003, 02:09:22 PM »
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 Your right in a sense, info should be filtered to kids, their are things they just wont understand.

Still there are kids who grow up loving Hitler, and it aint the library at fault, it is some jerk of a parent who only has 5 brain cells.

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« Reply #71 on: November 05, 2003, 02:39:08 PM »
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you didnt really notice my point...as far as im concerned once your an adult you can read what you want...until then for the most part your thinking is done by adults because you cant make good decisions and certain material is harmfull...just because its a written idea doesnt mean its not as harmfull as pornography. would YOU want a bunch of kids growing up thinking that stalin or hitler were right???


adults should have free access to ideas.  parents should control what kids are exposed to not the gov't.  

have you ever met someone who was raised by the gov't?  decent, and well adjusted, are not the norm?

but the point still remains, other than parents making decisions for there kids, who is to decide what is harmful?

  how do they decide?

 can they do it without exposing themselves to the harmful idea?

  if they do expose themselves to the material in an effort to decide if it's dangerouse, can we really trust the judgment of these now damaged people?

do we set up a system where one person decides for everyone?(that way if it's dangerous we've limited societies exposure)

and should everybody have to do a turn at deciding,  I mean these ideas could be dangerouse, is it reasonable to expect someone to risk their sanity more than once before everybody has taken their turn.

 plus if we let people decide more than once we increase the risk of a bad decision, not only could this material be dangerous but they may have residual damaged from the other material they checked out for us.

do we breed a race of superminds who are impervious to this sort of filth?

who's idea was that, did someone check to see if that was a safe/healthy thought

really it's all very complicated.  you'd have to outline the whole plan before I could sign off on it.  

but then I'm not sure if I could even check out your idea,  has anyone checked to see if it is dangerous?