Author Topic: Then and now  (Read 2857 times)

Offline JBA

  • Silver Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 1797
Then and now
« on: November 03, 2003, 02:42:04 PM »
Go back and look at the news reports for the economy when the DJIA was at the same levels in 1999-2000. You’ll be surprised at how well off we all were.

Remember when Bush/Cheanny were warning about  the pended poor economy in 1999 during the election and all the Dems screamed about "talking down " the economy as if one man had that kind of power. Now all you hear are their whines about the economy.






« Last Edit: November 03, 2003, 08:16:26 PM by JBA »
"They effect the march of freedom with their flash drives.....and I use mine for porn. Viva La Revolution!". .ZetaNine  03/06/08
"I'm just a victim of my own liberalhoodedness"  Midnight Target

Offline Sikboy

  • Platinum Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 6702
Then and now
« Reply #1 on: November 03, 2003, 02:46:28 PM »




(I know it sounds sarcastic but it's true)

-Sik
You: Blah Blah Blah
Me: Meh, whatever.

Offline Mini D

  • Parolee
  • Platinum Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 6897
      • Fat Drunk Bastards
Then and now
« Reply #2 on: November 03, 2003, 02:53:37 PM »
I don't know of a single economist that uses charts from the DOW Jones Industrial to do anything other than wipe their ass.

The media loves it though... cause it keeps going up.

MiniD

Offline Airhead

  • Gold Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3369
      • http://www.ouchytheclown.com
Then and now
« Reply #3 on: November 03, 2003, 03:13:36 PM »
Quote
Originally posted by Mini D
I don't know of a single economist that uses charts from the DOW Jones Industrial to do anything other than wipe their ass.

The media loves it though... cause it keeps going up.

MiniD


You mean we're doing so poorly the economists can't afford toilet paper?

Things are worse than I thought. :eek:

Offline Curval

  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 11572
      • http://n/a
Then and now
« Reply #4 on: November 03, 2003, 03:31:47 PM »
Economists are funny.  They have can have their head in a fire and their feet in ice and if asked "How are you?" they will answer "Well, on balance I feel pretty good".
Some will fall in love with life and drink it from a fountain that is pouring like an avalanche coming down the mountain

Offline capt. apathy

  • Platinum Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 4240
      • http://www.moviewavs.com/cgi-bin/moviewavs.cgi?Bandits=danger.wav
Then and now
« Reply #5 on: November 03, 2003, 05:47:26 PM »
Quote
Economists are funny. They have can have their head in a fire and their feet in ice and if asked "How are you?" they will answer "Well, on balance I feel pretty good".

:rofl :aok

Offline NUKE

  • Persona Non Grata
  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 8599
      • Arizona Greens
Re: Then and now
« Reply #6 on: November 03, 2003, 07:10:24 PM »
Quote
Originally posted by JBA
Remember when Bush/Cheanny were warning about  the pended poor economy and all the Dems screamed about "talking down " the economy as if one man had that kind of power. Now all you hear are their whines about the economy.



I also remeber this during Bush's election campaign, he was warning that the economy had already begun a downturn he warned of a resession. The Dems lambasted him for it.

Offline Ripsnort

  • Radioactive Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 27260
Then and now
« Reply #7 on: November 04, 2003, 08:10:25 AM »
Punt (for commentary from some of our more liberal friends on the board... )

Offline Sixpence

  • Platinum Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 5265
      • http://www.onpoi.net/ah/index.php
Then and now
« Reply #8 on: November 04, 2003, 10:53:26 AM »
I blame Clinton. And despite miko's prognostications of doom, I have decided to earn a dollar today.
"My grandaddy always told me, "There are three things that'll put a good man down: Losin' a good woman, eatin' bad possum, or eatin' good possum."" - Holden McGroin

(and I still say he wasn't trying to spell possum!)

Offline miko2d

  • Parolee
  • Gold Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3177
Then and now
« Reply #9 on: November 04, 2003, 11:19:32 AM »
Sixpence: I blame Clinton. And despite miko's prognostications of doom, I have decided to earn a dollar today.

 You are not earning "dollars". You are earning purchasing power measured in dollars. You gave labor and received living accomodations, food, clothes and claims on goods or income-creating assets. Money is just a mediulm that facilitates such an exchange with many participants.
 Nothing wrong with earning. Keeping the purchasing power as dollars is another matter altogether. Over the last 20 years the purchasing power of a dollar declined by half.
 The world holds $35 trillion dollars. Do you think US has stuff to sell if all of you decide to cash those in?


Sikboy


 :) Glad to oblige. The topic is: Mainstream "Economists".



 miko

 Economist: Jackson poll - A sure way to predict the future


Quote
THE high point of the international economics calendar is the annual symposium of the Federal Reserve Bank of Kansas City. The intense competition to attend this conference has, of course, nothing to do with the fact that it is held in Jackson Hole, Wyoming, a stunningly beautiful Rocky Mountain resort. The quality of the papers presented and the rigorous intellectual debate in the company of Alan Greenspan and many of the world's other top central bankers is sufficient pull.

Since these include some of America's top economists, your correspondent has made a habit of taking a poll each year. At the peak of the stockmarket boom they were asked, “is this a bubble?”“No”, they voted[/i]. In August 2001 they were asked, “will America's economy dip into recession?”“No chance”, they replied.[/i] The economy turned out already to be in recession. Last year's question was, “will the federal funds rate (then 1.75%) fall to 1% or less within the next year?” Almost everybody said “no”[/i] (a senior Fed official wisely declined to vote). Only two economists correctly predicted rates of 1%.

Given this remarkable record, it would be remiss not to poll our elite group once again this year—and then bet on the exact opposite.


Economist: Jackson poll, 2003 - A guide to the future

Quote
Two weeks ago, we revealed the remarkable forecasting record of America's top economists who attend this event. Our economics editor has conducted informal polls each year.. In late 1999 our gang was confident that the stockmarket would not crash; in 2001 they ruled out an American recession; and last year they predicted that interest rates would not fall to 1%. In short, they have provided an excellent contrarian indicator. What might they get wrong this year?

Hearty thanks are due to the 200 readers who suggested questions for the 2003 poll. The most popular by far was: “Does America have a house-price bubble?” So we asked our terrace gang: “Will average house prices fall in the year to mid 2004?” All but one firmly answered “No”. We then made them work harder with a second poser: “Will the dollar fall to $1.25 against the euro at any time in the next 12 months”? When the question was put, one euro bought $1.10. Again with one exception, the answer was a resounding “No”.

Accordingly, your correspondent is betting that the dollar and house prices will fall over the next year. On the other hand, many of these economists probably read our article two weeks ago and therefore gave the opposite answer to what they really think. As one reader says, “it would be dumb for them to reply in any other way.”


 Yes, it would be - and dumb is what they usually do.

 After all those are the same economists who say such idiocies as: "Consumer Spending rather than saving and investment promote growth" or "By taking word's products and resources and converting them into waste and polution and not providing goods/services in return US somehow benefits those countries" and "Countries benefit from exporting stuff for no value in return rather than from importing stuff that could not be had locally as cheap or at all".

 miko
« Last Edit: November 04, 2003, 11:21:38 AM by miko2d »

Offline Sixpence

  • Platinum Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 5265
      • http://www.onpoi.net/ah/index.php
Then and now
« Reply #10 on: November 04, 2003, 11:45:37 AM »
Ok, I have decided to earn purchasing power. That actually sounds better. When nanotechnology starts spinning straw into gold, will my dollar purchase more?
"My grandaddy always told me, "There are three things that'll put a good man down: Losin' a good woman, eatin' bad possum, or eatin' good possum."" - Holden McGroin

(and I still say he wasn't trying to spell possum!)

Offline miko2d

  • Parolee
  • Gold Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3177
Then and now
« Reply #11 on: November 04, 2003, 11:57:32 AM »
Sixpence: Ok, I have decided to earn purchasing power. That actually sounds better.

 Fortunately, the division of labor and market exchange work regardless of the people understanding the mechanics of it.
 It's when politicians start believing that wealth is money that the trouble starts.

When nanotechnology starts spinning straw into gold, will my dollar purchase more?

 That would depend how many of them the Fed will print. Probably not.

 miko

Offline Boroda

  • Persona Non Grata
  • Platinum Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 5755
Then and now
« Reply #12 on: November 04, 2003, 11:58:46 AM »
Quote
Originally posted by Sixpence
Ok, I have decided to earn purchasing power. That actually sounds better. When nanotechnology starts spinning straw into gold, will my dollar purchase more?


In this case soon straws will be much more expensive then gold. I suggest to invest in straw right now.

Miko, just curious, did you see "Kin-Dza-Dza"?

;)

Offline Sixpence

  • Platinum Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 5265
      • http://www.onpoi.net/ah/index.php
Then and now
« Reply #13 on: November 04, 2003, 12:17:57 PM »
Quote
Originally posted by miko2d
That would depend how many of them the Fed will print. Probably not.

 miko


Bummer. Here is some interesting reading http://www.foresight.org/NanoRev/#MMfeasible

I once thought that other planets in the solar system could be used to live on. But it seems now that they will be mined for their atoms. The atoms in turn could be used to create raw materials? We can't mine the moon so we need to stick an American flag on the rest of the planets;)  The more you read the more interesting it gets. End of the world? I think it has just begun. I realize now how far in the past I live.
"My grandaddy always told me, "There are three things that'll put a good man down: Losin' a good woman, eatin' bad possum, or eatin' good possum."" - Holden McGroin

(and I still say he wasn't trying to spell possum!)

Offline miko2d

  • Parolee
  • Gold Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3177
Then and now
« Reply #14 on: November 04, 2003, 12:18:31 PM »
Boroda: Miko, just curious, did you see "Kin-Dza-Dza"? ;)

 Sure. I even have it on tape.
 Are you referring to their use of matches as currency?

 miko