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Offline straffo

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« Reply #15 on: November 04, 2003, 02:34:58 PM »
It's a strange "résumé" of a 265 page document ...

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« Reply #16 on: November 04, 2003, 04:27:33 PM »
europe didn't have a proper war in over 50 years, so they think the world is at peace - just like their neibourhood.

The average person being interviewed for the poll must have understood it as "what country is most likely to engage in war (thus breaking world peace)".

I wouldn't take it too seriously. Euros are naive at best - not stupid.

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« Reply #17 on: November 04, 2003, 04:48:56 PM »
he he they are so nieve, they just dont get airstrikes for peace. or a friendly international invasion. who is stupid again?

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« Reply #18 on: November 04, 2003, 05:57:25 PM »
Hey Vader-

If it's so great to be European....

Well, you know where DFW is....Have a nice flight, ya friggin' commie.

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« Reply #19 on: November 04, 2003, 06:08:47 PM »
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Hey Vader-

If it's so great to be European....

Well, you know where DFW is....Have a nice flight, ya friggin' commie.


Wouldn't Houston be closer?  No... wait... that's out of the question, LDV would never fly out of George H. W. Bush International.;)
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« Reply #20 on: November 04, 2003, 06:47:50 PM »
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Yeah, the 7500 people surveyed for that poll (http://www.washtimes.com/upi-breaking/20031101-102019-5361r.htm) sure represent the entire EU really well.

I don't agree with the poll's whopping 59% majority - calling Israel the biggest thread to world peace is simply stupid - but this thing is in no way representing any EU countries' position on the middle-east issue nor does the poll reveal the "EU's true colors" or whatever. It's just a poll, jeez.

You guys are painting with pretty broad brushes there.


Ok my apology for the wide generalization.
unfortunatly it starting to sound like "SOME" europeans are ready to join the PLO.

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« Reply #21 on: November 05, 2003, 12:19:34 AM »
I'm not all surprised at this poll - there has an explosion of violent anti-semetism in Europe over the past few years - especially  in the most enlightened leader nations of the continent - France and Germany...

These are troubling developments just by themselves, but taken together I think they point to a huge problem and quite frankly are very revealing of the character develping in Europe.


As for the poll itself a proprer sample of 7500 people is enormous. Even a well chosen sample of 1000 is good enough to represent US national opinion quite well - the general opinion of a country of 280 million.  

If you euro types try to attack this poll you are only saying that your EU government is utterly incompetant in even the most basic statistical sampling techniques or that they are outright lying and have a propaganda agenda and so sample accordingle.  In this case this would mean that the offical EU stance would be that Israel is evil warmonger etc.  Do you guys belive that?

So it basically comes down to choice 3, that in fact 59% of Europeans, give or take a few points really belive Israel is the greatest threat to world peace and a warmonger etc.

Thats sad and pathetic and considering the hate crime trend, quite telling.  I think a bunch of traditional euro jew haters are merely transferring their individual anti-semetism and masking it with anti Israel attitides as they are considerably more popular form of anti-semitic expression. Of course incresingly many euros dont even bother to mask these feeling any more and just openly commit these hate crimes.

I have edited this post a few times as I dont really want to upset you guys but dammit this seems to be dangerous trend over there and I think its silly thayou euro guys just wanna dismiss it..
« Last Edit: November 05, 2003, 12:54:34 AM by GRUNHERZ »

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« Reply #22 on: November 05, 2003, 12:32:32 AM »
F*** the "Euros".  Who cares what they think anyway? lol
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« Reply #23 on: November 05, 2003, 02:24:43 AM »
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I'm not all surprised at this poll - there has an explosion of violent anti-semetism in Europe over the past few years - especially  in the most enlightened leader nations of the continent - France and Germany...


What enlighten are you talking about ?
Aah must be same enlighten by calling people antisemitism
because they dont agree on parts of Israel polititics?

Now that convinced me Grünherz ;)

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« Reply #24 on: November 05, 2003, 02:32:31 AM »
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What enlighten are you talking about ?
Aah must be same enlighten by calling people antisemitism
because they dont agree on parts of Israel polititics?

Now that convinced me Grünherz ;)

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Well I'm a brutish unsophisticated american - I only aspire to be as enligtened as euros but am shocked to see this behavior from those I so higly admire as my old and wise moral superiors in europe.

:rolleyes:  :)

Well the recent increase in hate crimes against european jews leads me to think there is a connection between the two - meaning that people mask their usual age old european resentment and hatred of jews with the more accepted accepted  hatred of israel, the jewish state...

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« Reply #25 on: November 05, 2003, 03:26:41 AM »
With Israelis, it's odd that they're jewish and bit over half a century ago a certain austrian corporal was the cause for holocaust, but for some reason this jewish state has been doing some of the same things as the austrian corporal.
This seems really odd to me, when they are so shocked about nazis but find nothing wrong with creating 'palestinian gettos'
Guess we're soon looking at public executions of suspected palestinian terrorists, 5 per every killed israeli. (or perhaps they'll be just jailed for indefinite time, just so it's more 'acceptable'... they did already do serial tattoos on some, but it became apparent the world didn't like the idea)

From here we get to the palestinians, who seem to be high on the islam religion.
Less surprisingly most terrorists are muslims, who sees themselves as some sort of allah's soldiers or whatever.
So they're very keen to blow up themselves to kill some israelis, but also other westerners, especially americans...  who happens to be the allies of israel, americans the most.
These terrorists can calculate 1+1 and therefore are also attacking western 'targets' and meanwhile pissing off the westerners, especially americans, whos decided they have the right to go war mongering with a moments thought and even slander their allies if they're unwilling to join war mongering.
It could be understandable if americans wouldn't be slandering these whos unwilling to join their wars.. after all they're independent nations and not under the rule of US president, like many americans seem to been thinking - which why they seemed to expect that europeans were all willing to join their war mongering when the US president gave the order.
oops... US President couldn't order europeans to war after all, hes forgot hes only the president of U.S.A, not the president of western world.

So US goes to find WMD from Iraq and whilst it liberate its people from this evil dictators rule and bring democracy.
Of course it wasnt big surprise that the 'coalition' (US?) forces were able to bring down Iraq in no time, however it seemed to be a surprise they were supposed to actually stay there, spend money to Iraq and suffer fatalities at a rate of 1-2 per day plus even more wounded casualties.
Now some pro-war americans are crying how its costing money to rebuild Iraq and how their soldiers are dying there (..who surprisingly all have enlisted by their own free will, but who obviously weren't expecting to stay in Iraq for a long time, as if it wasn't a war but a merry trip to go kill the raghead terrorists and feel proud of serving for the country)

Meanwhile things are happening in Iraq, americans are already looking for the next target, whether it'd be sanctions on N.Korea or continuing to Iran from Iraq.



When viewing it this way, I can see well what those people in the poll has been thinking.
However I would place americans as #1 on the list, although Israelis would be the #1 in reenacting germanys 1930's, this time as the aggressors, however closely followed by americans, who would be more closer to germany from 1939 onwards.

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« Reply #26 on: November 05, 2003, 03:34:49 AM »
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Well the recent increase in hate crimes against european jews leads me to think there is a connection between the two - meaning that people mask their usual age old european resentment and hatred of jews with the more accepted accepted  hatred of israel, the jewish state...


The last anti-jew acts I've heard off were against poor member of the Betar :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl

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« Reply #27 on: November 05, 2003, 03:43:32 AM »
Ahh so basically Fishu in your twisted euro world view Israel and America are like Nazi germany and Imperial Japan circa 1930s and I guess North Korea, Iran, China and the worldwide islamist exremist terrorists are the good guys?

Lemme ask you somethiung, are the terrorists and even saddam hussein and their behavir the least bit responsble for what began to happend to them on september 12 2001?

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« Reply #28 on: November 05, 2003, 03:47:54 AM »
Forgot to add it was between LDJ and betar member ...

Go figure  :(

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« Reply #29 on: November 05, 2003, 03:49:55 AM »
wtg Fisu,
you just managed to scramble all the eggs to a one big meaningless omlet.

pretty much managed to squeeze in everything from comparing Israel to nazy germany, through stating that the palestinians are just muslim idiots attacking anything in sight, to the US world domination.

you are a true product of the popular media. I'm proud of you.

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