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Offline Fishu

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« Reply #30 on: November 05, 2003, 04:05:33 AM »
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Lemme ask you somethiung, are the terrorists and even saddam hussein and their behavir the least bit responsble for what began to happend to them on september 12 2001?


You're not claiming that Saddam had something to do with it?

but since you insist, have you ever thought there might been some mistakes from americans side which could've caused this to happen on a long run?
I doubt the terrorists all of the sudden figured to target americans.
Theres always a cause.
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« Reply #31 on: November 05, 2003, 04:15:59 AM »
Saddam brought the Iraq invasion on himself - he had everything to with his demise 12 years of bs from him was enough...  Isnt that obvious?

If you are asking about 911 there isnt any evidence he was involved in it - you know that and you know i know. However the 911 event was the cause of his demise because it changed how america looked at saddams behavior.

You do have a point Fishu, the evil bastiges in the WTC were all at fault for every problem in the mideast

BTW has Finland apologized to the Russians yet for making them invade your country 60 years ago?
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« Reply #32 on: November 05, 2003, 04:19:18 AM »
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Just as well documented as america's insistance to stand by and allow it to happend without doing anything.


Well said fd ski ...
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« Reply #33 on: November 05, 2003, 04:21:45 AM »
Actually Fdski the blame for hitlers rise to power rests solely on (weak) european shoulders, before and after 1933...

How do you say appeasement in polish?

Italian, gatt?

French, straffo?

And anyhow shouldnt you morally superior euro types be proud of americas detachment from the situation of early ww2? I mean why go to war only to stop a barbaric threatring genocidal dictator...  That was a european war and not america's business,, not like today of course where the usa is evil warmonger invading countries and deposing peaceloving regimes left and right... :rolleyes:
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« Reply #34 on: November 05, 2003, 04:42:49 AM »
Yep, bloody eyetie here ;)

Actually, you are right as well Grunherz. However, IMHO, all the western powers (US and the Pope Pio XII included) are to be blamed for what happened to Austria, Czech, the church, the ebrews ... all over europe from the early 30's on.
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« Reply #35 on: November 05, 2003, 04:53:30 AM »
The only conceivable blame the USA might have is not ratifying joining the Leage of Nations.  But even thats not so clear cut as after ww1 and before ww2 the USA was a fairly minor power on the world stage and was isolationist perhaps even pacifist to some extent promoting the big naval disarmament trearies. Certainly it did not have the inflential world role as it did after ww2 and thec way we see the usa today.  IIRC we had a smaler military than poland.. ;)

However the rise of hitler was purely an internal european matter dealing with his violations of versailles treaty(yes usa was signatory to it) , human rights, national soverignty etc. Europe failed, the very fact that fdski even mention the need for the USA to intervene is proof that europe entirely failed to confron hitler in any significant way before it was far too late - he on coast of france and bombing london....
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« Reply #36 on: November 05, 2003, 05:01:12 AM »
:rofl :aok :rofl

I love this sort of thing.  they comission someone to take a poll, and then-
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The European Union (news - web sites) scrambled to contain the fallout from a public opinion poll


wouldn't be great if governments polled people to find out what we really thought or wanted instread of just looking for ways to justify what they want to do.


my dad used to say (and sometimes still does)-  don't ask questions that you don't want to hear the answers to.
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« Reply #37 on: November 05, 2003, 05:09:33 AM »
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French, straffo?



it's wrote this way : http://www.geocities.com/~worldwar1/picnic/trueface.html

click on the picture for a nice slideshow.

otherwise it can be also :

France
Total Mobilized 8 410 000
Killed & Died  1 357 800
Wounded 4 266 000
Prisoners & Missing  537 000
Total Casualties 6 160 800
Casualties % of Mobilized 76,3
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« Reply #38 on: November 05, 2003, 05:49:38 AM »
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F*** the "Euros".  Who cares what they think anyway? lol


:rolleyes: Tumor u are surely one of the most eloquents Persons at this board. I hope that u dont represent the average american.
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« Reply #39 on: November 05, 2003, 06:00:47 AM »
Ok straffo WW1 was terrible. Why did europe go for round two?
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« Reply #40 on: November 05, 2003, 06:29:51 AM »
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Ok straffo WW1 was terrible. Why did europe go for round two?


dunno.
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« Reply #41 on: November 05, 2003, 07:06:17 AM »
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You do have a point Fishu, the evil bastiges in the WTC were all at fault for every problem in the mideast
 


Oh come on, you can't be that short sighted.
Go look the US international politics before WTC... perhaps theres can be the cause, eh?

In any case, why is US war mongering in whole different place, when the people responsible were AND are from saudi-arabia and egypt?
Somehow the terrorist harboring countries have been left alone since Afganistan, which makes me wonder why the WTC every now and then pops up in the discussions, as if it has anything to do with Iraq for example.
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« Reply #42 on: November 05, 2003, 07:14:23 AM »
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Obviously you do. Otherwise you wouldn’t have read this thread, or replied to it.


Well... there's interest, and then there's comic entertainment.
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« Reply #43 on: November 05, 2003, 07:27:50 AM »
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:rolleyes: Tumor u are surely one of the most eloquents Persons at this board. I hope that u dont represent the average american.


:rolleyes: Actually... it does not, unfortunately.  I like my country.  I'm proud of my country.  I'm glad I was not born and raised in another country. I SERVE my country.  I'm sick of self-appointed "better than thou" Euro types bashing my country.  Get if from every angle, day in and day out.  So my reaction is, and will be F***'em, and I hope it spreads.

Oh, and thanks for the compliment
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« Reply #44 on: November 05, 2003, 07:38:31 AM »
Just take whatever Grunhurz says and imagine me sitting here Nodding my head in silent agreement...

The guy makes sense.
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