Author Topic: Partial-Birth abortion, a civil discussion (Read 3905 times)

Mathman · « **Reply #15 on:** November 06, 2003, 01:02:09 PM »

What percentage of partial birth abortions are for terminating unwanted pregnancies compared to the cases where you feel it is justified (mother's life in danger type stuff)?

It is my understanding that it is used for that reason and that reason alone. I am not naive enough to think that it isn't used to terminate unwanted pregnancies.

I won't get into whether it is right or wrong, because it seems that most people view PBA's about the same. I think the reason many people are against the law is because they see it is a foot in the door for passing future laws outlawing abortion.

Also, you might try to understand that there are some people who are against any kind of laws outlawing abortion. This is the same as those who oppose any type of abortion regardless of the factors behind why one is being sought (rape, incest, health reasons, mistake, whatever).

texace · « **Reply #16 on:** November 06, 2003, 01:03:04 PM »

So let me run this situation by you guys...just to see if everyone agrees on it.

Let's say a girl who is 17, 5' 1", 116 lbs. get pregnat from a rape. A doctor has told her that her body is not capible of supporting a baby at the current time, due to her weight, size, and age. The doctor says that if she proceeds with the pregancy, she runs the very high risk of either dying from complications or the baby being stillborn, since her body would not be able to support it.

Should she go through with it and take the chance that she should die, as her parents say? Or should she abort the child to save her life?

The girl in question is my girlfriend, who three weeks ago was raped walking home from school by two juniors from my old high school. She got tested and it came back positive. I, being pro-choice, told her that she should take what the doc said to heart and protect herself, while her parents, being pro-life, say she should have the child and take care of it. How's that for a choice, huh?

What should I tell her to do?

Oh yeah, I almost forgot. What if, while she's working, she suddenly miscarries and the child dies. According to the bill, would she go to prison for murder? Yeah, the bill only says partial-birth, but the government is wack sometimes.

GtoRA2 · « **Reply #17 on:** November 06, 2003, 01:06:32 PM »

Texace.
Man if your are not trolling I am really sorry. That is horrible.

She should abort it. She should not risk her life on the baby of a rapist scum.

I hope the rapist are going to jail for a long time.

AKcurly · « **Reply #18 on:** November 06, 2003, 01:09:15 PM »

I didn't see Eagler's post, banana, so I can only speculate. But, assuming Eagler had an agenda, attempting to argue it from an emotional point of view isn't productive.

If Eagler wants to take a stance, for or against, on abortion, I'll bet ole Skuzzy will let the thread grow, but only if he doesn't show images which are a deliberate attempt to inflame the attendees.

So yeah, Skuzzy did the right thing.

curly

DiabloTX · « **Reply #19 on:** November 06, 2003, 01:09:43 PM »

Well, that certainly is a bad situation but is an exception not the norm. And if she's not too far along a regular abortion is still an option.

As for the advice the doctor gave, I'd seek a second opinion. I know a woman who's entire family runs in the 4'10" range and they have perfectly healthy births.

Just do what you feel is right, PBA's are performed in late pregnancies, not early in the first trimester.

The miscarriage is a normal body function, no one is inducing the birth artificially, so, no, there is no legal ramifications unless it is proven that she induced the labor or miscarriage herself. But that is a whole different subject.

texace · « **Reply #20 on:** November 06, 2003, 01:15:33 PM »

No, I'm not trolling. I really wish I was, to be honest, but I'm not.

She and I have discussed what to do about this. Being I'm only 18 and in college, even if the child was born healthy there would be no way I'd be able to take care of it. The two boys, both 16 years old (they're bigger than she is...one secured her while the other raped her), were charged with rape and are currently awaiting a trial date. Intuition tells me they'll plead not guily.

I'll talk with her and see where to go from here. I want her to, as you said, get a second opinion about the whole thing. Hopefully, something will work out.

But if she does not make it from complications (should she decide to go), could the rapists be charged with manslaughter? Just curious.

I pray for her every day. You really don't think about this until it hits close to you.

muckmaw · « **Reply #21 on:** November 06, 2003, 01:32:17 PM »

Texace-

Sorry to hear this happened...

I can only hope those 2 sub humans are sent to prison and held down and raped....

Meanwhile, as far as I'm concerned there is a difference between a 1st trimester abortion and a 3rd or PBA.

I guess I'm pro-choice on the 1TM by definitley against the PBA.

I would say, that though I don't like ANY abortion, I see it as a necessary evil sometimes.

It all comes down to when you see life beggining. Does it begin at conception, at birth, or sometime in between?

Tough, Heart wrenching topic here.

Creamo · « **Reply #22 on:** November 06, 2003, 01:38:15 PM »

OWNED.

Curval · « **Reply #23 on:** November 06, 2003, 02:10:19 PM »

Semp,

Man, I am so sorry to hear that such a horrible thing happened to your girlfriend.

She should most definately have the choice to abort this child.

In this thread though the discussion is focused on very late term abortions, which I disagree with unless there is a very good reason.

In your girlfriend's case she can make the decision very early on in the pregnancy.

I'm not going to try and advise you on what to do though. It is something she needs to decide upon...even you can't tell her what to do...all you can do is love and support her, no matter what she decides.

Again, I'm feel horrible that such a violation happened to her. I hope those two freaks go to jail and get raped themselves while there. Maybe then they will understand what they have done.

lazs2 · « **Reply #24 on:** November 06, 2003, 02:17:56 PM »

I got nuthin against killin people but... ya better have a damn good reason.
lazs

Sixpence · « **Reply #25 on:** November 06, 2003, 02:21:52 PM »

I do find it amusing that the people who oppose any kind of abortion are the same ones who say sacrificing a few kids a day in Iraq is the right thing to do.

lazs2 · « **Reply #26 on:** November 06, 2003, 02:30:47 PM »

like I said... nothin against killin people.... just need a damn good reason. And.... I insist that you own up to it like a man.
lazs

muckmaw · « **Reply #27 on:** November 06, 2003, 02:33:57 PM »

Sixpence,

I find it amusing that you could make such a ridiculous statement.

SOB · « **Reply #28 on:** November 06, 2003, 02:38:17 PM »

That's terrible to hear, Texace. Sounds like you're doing the right thing though...get her all of the medical advice she can get and let her make a decision. That's what pro-choice is all about.

Sixpence · « **Reply #29 on:** November 06, 2003, 02:39:00 PM »

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Originally posted by muckmaw
Sixpence,

I find it amusing that you could make such a ridiculous statement.

It's not so rediculous to the people losing their kids.