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Offline DmdNexus

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« Reply #90 on: November 07, 2003, 04:41:36 PM »
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Liberal or Conservative...

1. Pro Choice - Damn right! And the supreme court and the majority of Americans are right behind me.
2. Freedom to own firearms - except for military style weapons - bazookas, mini guns, assault rifles
3. Reduced taxes to allow EVERYONE to keep more of what they earn... EVERYONE - NOT JUST THE RICH. Also balance the freaking budget and stop government spending. Flat tax!
4. Abolish Marriage! Live with a goat for all I care. No more preferential treatment for any one.
5. Strong Military... NO STARWARS or STUPID MISSILE SHIELD SCHEMES to make the Arms Manufacturers rich.
6. Rigid separation of church and state - I don't want no Star of Davids or Crosses on public property.... no stupid 10 commandments either. "In god we trust" on the money is fine. Leave what's already there... there and stop shoving christianity down people's throats.
7. Capital punishment for ANY ONE WHO murderers, child molesters, and corperate criminals who steal more than 1 million dollars.
8. Change welfare to workfare - teach people how to take care of them selves
9. Take care of verterans, especially if they were disabled during service.
10. Protect America's interests... don't let foreign lobbists write laws to favor their trade.
11. Stop the persecution of drug users, go after the countries which are harboring the drug dealers.
12. Teach teenagers about sex and give them condoms!
13. Stop the gerrymandering!
14. If federal employees don't get a raise... neither should the congress!
15. Fix Social security! I don't care how... FIX IT! or stop taking it out of my pay check!
16. Any news person who reports more than 10 lies in a year... goes to jail and gets their nuts twisted off! Unless they are a woman then it's their tits.
17. And Britany Spears is forbidden to wear clothing... wait she doesn't now.

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« Reply #91 on: November 07, 2003, 04:43:37 PM »
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BINGO!!! You are absolutely right. Thank you. :D

Now, why are we there again?


Numerous reasons.
The most popular are:

Iraq was in violation of UN resolutions.
Due to those violations, it is believed that he posed a threat to National Security.

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« Reply #92 on: November 07, 2003, 04:49:42 PM »
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AkIron wrote:
"How many lies do ya have to tell to be a liar? "



Please, objectively apply that rational to our president...

300 some odd American troops are dead as the result of presidential lies.

We are fighting a war with no forseeable end because our president lied to the american people...

Our national debt is more horenduous now than ever because of our president’s lies to the american people.

Kyote??

Peak Oil???

Oil for Blood from the Chenney-Bush Junta

Enron and Bush/Chenney energy policies....

Huumm.. ahh.. nevermind...  nothing to see here.. move along...


k
AoM


Ahhh....the truth comes out. If you don't like him and think he sucks, that's cool....just call it like it is and stop hiding behind this air of fairness.

Here's a snack.....

Liberal

The modern definition of liberal is one who believes in more government action to meet individual needs.

Originally, liberal meant one who resisted government encroachment on individual liberties.

The present-day usage of liberal came to prominence during the presidency of Franklin D. Roosevelt. FDR defined it this way during his first campaign:

"...say that civilization is a tree which, as it grows, continually produces rot and dead wood. The radical says: 'Cut it down.' The conservative says: 'Don't touch it.' The liberal compromises: 'Let's prune, so that we lose neither the old trunk nor the new branches.'"

Milton Friedman calls himself a liberal. But a liberal in the "true meaning of that term: of and concerned with freedom." Friedman says that he is not a liberal in the current "distorted sense of the term - people who are liberal with other people's money."

On the other hand, even liberals sometimes lampoon their own philosophy. Adlai Stevenson once described a liberal as "one with both feet firmly planted in the air."

Conservative

Conservatives are defenders of the status quo who, when change becomes absolutely necessary, prefer that it come slowly and in moderation.

Today the more passionate conservatives generally oppose governmental regulations of the economy. They favor local and state action over the federal authority, and emphasize fiscal restraint and balanced budgets.

William A. White, the editor, described this type of conservative as:

"a businessman's candidate, hovering around the status quo like a sick kitten around a hot brick."

Modern conservatives have also adopted a social platform to include opposition to abortion, pro-family issues, and advocacy of religious tenets. They like to point out that conservatives are actually liberals who have been "mugged by reality."

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« Reply #93 on: November 07, 2003, 04:53:58 PM »
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Originally posted by Martlet
Numerous reasons.
The most popular are:

Iraq was in violation of UN resolutions.
Due to those violations, it is believed that he posed a threat to National Security.


That's not what the congress says the reason are.
You should read the Intelligence Comittee report.

When Bush made no progress with the UN, he went to the congress and invoked the war powers act claiming Iraq was an immenent threat and there was US Intelligence to prove it.

So now... congress is reviewing that intelligence to verify if invoking the WPA was justified. After all WMD have not been found... there's a gap between what was said and what has been discovered to be true.

That's the big stink that's going on right now on the hill and in committee... and the White House is stalling the investigation.... Republicans on the IC are also stalling the investigation... analystist in the intelligence community are quietly leaking... "there was no intelligence" to support the administration's assertions of WMD and threat... it was stove piped and fabricated.

Right now alot of people want Bush to be right and want this war to be right. It's psychological reaction to 9/11 and lash out and hurt someone for the pain of 9/11.

Unfortunately, it's clouding people's reasons, and more people are getting killed, and people's rights are being abused.

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« Reply #94 on: November 07, 2003, 05:01:47 PM »
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Originally posted by Martlet
Numerous reasons.
The most popular are:

Iraq was in violation of UN resolutions.
Due to those violations, it is believed that he posed a threat to National Security.


Wow. All I can say is...

Anyone see Howard Stern on Letterman last night?



:D

LOL Cya in the MA, Martlett. .

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« Reply #95 on: November 07, 2003, 05:10:12 PM »
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Wow. All I can say is...

Anyone see Howard Stern on Letterman last night?



:D

LOL Cya in the MA, Martlett. .


Which is exactly why I posted that comment initially.  These are the same threads, over and over again.  No one is conceptionally "wrong", they just differ in opinion.  

You aren't going to change my mind, I'm not going to change yours.   Yet morons keep bringing up the same topic with a new title over and over and over and over....

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« Reply #96 on: November 07, 2003, 05:21:58 PM »
If we're gonna dance we might as well dance to the oldies. It does seem kinda Pavlov Dog-like sometimes tho.

And Howard Stern sucks.

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« Reply #97 on: November 07, 2003, 07:55:51 PM »
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....Right now alot of people want Bush to be right and want this war to be right. It's psychological reaction to 9/11 and lash out and hurt someone for the pain of 9/11.

Unfortunately, it's clouding people's reasons,.....


"Right now a lot of liberals want Bush to be wrong and want this war to be wrong.  It's a psychological reaction to the 8 years Clinton did nothing to prevent 9/11 and  to lash out and hurt someone for the pain of 9/11.

Unfortunately, it's clouding liberal's reasons."



Well what do you know, it fits.

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« Reply #98 on: November 07, 2003, 11:19:26 PM »
Liberals live in hope
Conservatives live in fear.

Liberals might be disappointed by thier hopes, but conservatives  will always be betrayed by their fears.

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« Reply #99 on: November 07, 2003, 11:27:00 PM »
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Liberals live in hope
Conservatives live in fear.

Liberals might be disappointed by thier hopes, but conservatives  will always be betrayed by their fears.


That makes no sense.

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« Reply #100 on: November 08, 2003, 12:39:05 AM »
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Liberals live in hope
 


Dunno about living there but we all know one that was born there. ;)

Wish he'd never left.
« Last Edit: November 08, 2003, 12:42:10 AM by AKIron »
Here we put salt on Margaritas, not sidewalks.

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« Reply #101 on: November 08, 2003, 12:39:30 AM »
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That makes no sense.



He can always hope......................... ......




But I'm afraid you're right.:D

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« Reply #102 on: November 08, 2003, 08:52:12 AM »
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Originally posted by AKIron
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Liberal or Conservative...

1. Pro Choice - Damn right! And the supreme court and the majority of Americans are right behind me.
2. Freedom to own firearms - except for military style weapons - bazookas, mini guns, assault rifles
3. Reduced taxes to allow EVERYONE to keep more of what they earn... EVERYONE - NOT JUST THE RICH. Also balance the freaking budget and stop government spending. Flat tax!
4. Abolish Marriage! Live with a goat for all I care. No more preferential treatment for any one.
5. Strong Military... NO STARWARS or STUPID MISSILE SHIELD SCHEMES to make the Arms Manufacturers rich.
6. Rigid separation of church and state - I don't want no Star of Davids or Crosses on public property.... no stupid 10 commandments either. "In god we trust" on the money is fine. Leave what's already there... there and stop shoving christianity down people's throats.
7. Capital punishment for ANY ONE WHO murderers, child molesters, and corperate criminals who steal more than 1 million dollars.
8. Change welfare to workfare - teach people how to take care of them selves
9. Take care of verterans, especially if they were disabled during service.
10. Protect America's interests... don't let foreign lobbists write laws to favor their trade.
11. Stop the persecution of drug users, go after the countries which are harboring the drug dealers.
12. Teach teenagers about sex and give them condoms!
13. Stop the gerrymandering!
14. If federal employees don't get a raise... neither should the congress!
15. Fix Social security! I don't care how... FIX IT! or stop taking it out of my pay check!
16. Any news person who reports more than 10 lies in a year... goes to jail and gets their nuts twisted off! Unless they are a woman then it's their tits.
17. And Britany Spears is forbidden to wear clothing... wait she doesn't now. [/B]


1. Wrong again boy wonder.
http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2003/feb/03021705.html
http://www.frtl.org/abortion/The%20sound%20of%20silence.htm
http://www.ncfpc.org/stories/030602s1.html

2. How does the style make any matter? If I paint my car like a tank its still a car, a gun can kill regardless what it looks like. The problem I have is the style is a look not a function, i.e. how does a flash suppresser make it any more deadly. I have a 5 shot pump shotgun that has no military style to it and will kill just fine thank you.

3. If taxes are reduced by 5% fairly and across the board (or a flat tax as you put it) then someone paying 50k in taxes will get a better break then someone paying 10k. What you want is an unfair tax break just say so. The flat tax will actually hurt the middle class and the poor much more as the poor with children pay little or no tax now, under the flat tax they loose this and will pay the same percentage as the rich.  

4. Sorry you’re on your own with your goat.

5. Some said no stupid aircraft carriers in the 30’s as they were stupid and of no value, Battleships were the way to go (would you have been one of these?) If N.K. has weapons that can reach this country don't you think this system would have value?

6. Read the Constitution, separation of church and state is not in it. The item you are referring to is on to prevent the state sponsored (mandated) religion. This is what our devout forefathers were afraid of and left England for.

7. Not bad, could use some cleaning up, it wont stop anything as murder brings the death penalty in many states but murder is still committed. The death penalty is very expensive something like 10 times what it costs just to let them rot away for life.

8. Good one (sounds very anti left)

9. Good

10. Good

11. Like Afghanistan and the Middle East right. I thought you were against butting into other sovereign nations.

12. Ok I will but I like whipped cream and 7-Up;)

13. Ahh,  I will if you will:confused:

14. Fed workers did, called cost of living that’s why Congress did, I really thing Congress should live on SS when they retire not the sweet deal they have now.

15. Have you not been getting you check? How is it broken for you? I think you are just to young to speak about this, I’m 42 and I know I am. Will it be broken in 20 years?

16. I will pay to watch

17. see 12 above:D


I had fun, thanks for playing:aok

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« Reply #103 on: November 08, 2003, 10:51:35 AM »
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Did you serve in GW1?


No