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Offline NUTTZ

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« Reply #15 on: September 25, 2000, 07:46:00 PM »
 
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Originally posted by BotaBing:
Well now that everyone is done smooching hitech's ass, I'll go ahead and give an honest response..
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I wasn't done yet, WTG HTC!!!!

Hitech, forgive me if I dont press my lips to your buttocks, I am always of the opinion that one's opinions are much easier to hear when one is speaking standing up in front of the intended audience, instead of behind them on their knees.
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I think your confusing a pat on the back, with a kiss on the ass.


I must say that I appreciate the fact that Hitech posted his reasoning here. When someone in charge posts their reasoning, its a sign of respect and attention that is missing in most businesses today.
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Well said.

That said, I am definitely opposed to the filter on the server side. I believe that a client side filter is most appropriate because it fosters the most amount of choice and freedom of action.
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I disagree, But I won't call you a whiner, for speaking an opposing view, as you shouldn't call people bellybutton kissers who agree.


Sometimes, its appropriate to say "shit." There are even those occasions when a "diddly" or a "dirty potato" is fitting...for example, when some bastard starts talking on the public channel about how America was wrong to drop the bomb in WWII, I let him know exactly how i feel about the diddlyers that killed my grandpa.

I read your explanation Hitech, and I understand that this is your company and your business. I guess I just dont have a problem with the attitude of 'let them squelch me'

There are so few people in the main arena, we all know who to squelch go begin with. But on those occasions when the vast majority of people feel the need to cuss, Im all ears. Its flavor, its environment, its real life.

What is wrong with a filter? Its so simple, you either turn it ON or OFF. If you dont like foul language EVER, then TURN IT ON. You arent forced to squelch or ignore anyone.

Im glad youre open minded about the squad channel. To me, worst case scenario is this game stays like it is and you can cuss on squad channel only. Best case scenario, just make a filter.

Make a filter, make FILTER ON the default setting. Then people dont even have to turn it on. Noone is forced to do anything. If you want to hear cussing, turn the filter OFF.

There's simply no way this is goign to work.
Fdiddly
Fplow
Fuk
plow
Phuck
toejam
Fok
Fucc

No matter what you do, people will find a way to be stupid idiots, and that is why you have to use squelch or ignore anyways. There is NO, not one single server-side solution that you can program that will keep people from being idiots short of just banning them.

Hey, its your game, I know that, and I know that we can expect a slew of threads in response to this where all the borg run up to smooch your bellybutton some more and say "Well if you dont like it leave" - but i thought you might like to hear a different viewpoint...


Thanks

BotaBing
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« Reply #16 on: September 25, 2000, 07:49:00 PM »
Thanks for taking the time to explain the philosophy, HT.

I agree with the guy who said this is just Leadership. He's correct. It is your right and your responsibility to guide the game to your goal.

No problems with the filter here.

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« Reply #17 on: September 25, 2000, 07:49:00 PM »
HiTech,

I have to add my voice to those who support your efforts.  <SALUTE>  While I personally prefer a client-side filter, I support anything you do to try to improve the "atmosphere" in the arenas.  We all must take responsibility for our actions.  In the past I have been a tad too loose with my language and have "said" some things I have regreted the moment I hit the return key. I am more than willing to take all of this as a "wakeup call" and clean up my act.  Some may call my attitude "a**-kissing".  These are the same people who appear, judging by their remarks on this board, to be unwilling to take responsibility for their own actions and I don't have any respect for them anyway.  But I do have respect for you and your team of developers and what you are trying to accomplish here, with Aces High, so keep up the good work and ...

I'M IN!

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« Reply #18 on: September 25, 2000, 08:28:00 PM »
BotaBing,

I do respect you you as a member of Aces High. However, allow me to give you the following:

Lets say I have the opportunity to start my own law practice and I have clients waiting for my services. In a lobby full of paying clients, someone comes in raising hell, cussing and S^%# and &%@* that and ^%$# *&^ %$&@!$% %$#$&(*&!

Now as part of a successful law practice, should I believe that a client side filter is most appropriate because it fosters the most amount of choice and freedom of action? Should I give all my paying clients ear plugs?

No, I would just mute the offender.

Now, what goes on in the private offices (squad channels) is one thing. But when it comes to the lobby, I sure wouldn't run my practice that way.


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« Reply #19 on: September 25, 2000, 08:41:00 PM »
 
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Originally posted by hitech:

Changing the game,determining what is best for the game , the community, and HTC business is precisly what my job is.

HiTech

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« Reply #20 on: September 25, 2000, 08:51:00 PM »
Hey HT! Put your butt out!  Here ya go!

Whoa!  Keep your pants on. We don't know each other that well......yet!!

Smmmmmmoooooocccccchhhhhhh!!!

Thanks for the filter!!

Can ya make a filter for the BBS too???

 
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« Reply #21 on: September 25, 2000, 09:42:00 PM »
 
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Originally posted by BotaBing:
Hitech, forgive me if I dont press my lips to your buttocks, I am always of the opinion that one's opinions are much easier to hear when one is speaking standing up in front of the intended audience, instead of behind them on their knees.

If you're talking to me, You'll have to try harder than that bro. Trying to shame us all into being *cool cussin' daddy's* like yourself is simply just junior high roadkill.

I can't speak for the other guys, but as for me, I actually think the idea is sound.

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« Reply #22 on: September 25, 2000, 09:48:00 PM »
HT, first, your business, your rules. If it get's to the point of intolerability somehow (which, since I don't play AH for the conversation, is unlikely), I'll unplug.  I do appreciate the direct response.  

Second; I disagree with your approach by it's basic theory.  This is little different from a bookseller deciding not to print content it would find morally objectionable.  Given the breadth of things that can be found to be morally objectionable, I simply do not believe this is appropiate as a response.  I don't buy hate books.  I don't like them, or the authors behind them.  So for example that's a simple equasion that would seem easy to dismiss via publisher refusal.

On the otherhand, I have bought Playboy.  I'll never buy Hustler.  To me there is a difference in tone and taste between the two that makes one occasionally interesting and the other simply demeaning.  A book on body art would also appeal, as would a book on tatooing.  A book on S&M does nothing for me.

The problem is that all of these things are easy to blanket as morally offensive to some people, and probably not something I would leave on the coffee room table when my friend with his child was visiting.  But I don't want to be forced to go to a cum-smeared adult bookstore to find a book on body art or simply Playboy, and that's what I'd be dealing with if these topics were relagated to 3rd string publishers either because the major publishers refused to print them, or because laws were passed that refused their sale in a open environment.

I think you're taking the same approach by making a moral decision for me as the reader rather than letting me do this for myself. You believe that swearing in particular has negitive social effects and adversely affects the game.  I believe that swearing is symptom rather than cause, I suspect you agree, and I sense that you are simply trying to treat the symptom as best you can given a lack of ability to reform 2,000 people into social acceptability.  So I do understand wanting to damp the tone of obnoxicity, but I firmly believe that it's better to allow the individual to decide what they want to hear and see, than it is to decide for them.

Again, so say Thog, who doesn't know how this whole 'life' thing is going to turn out either.  

I guess the thing that I've found really appalling is the sheer number of people who are delighted by all this.  I think at best censorship is to be tolerated.  Revelling in banning behavior you don't personally agree with shows a remarkable lack of foresight.

Thog

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« Reply #23 on: September 25, 2000, 10:20:00 PM »
Thog, so is playboy sensoring by not allowing hustler type photos in there mag.?

All im doing is the exactly the same thing as to why you enjoy playboy , but not hustler. I tailor my product to suit my desired market.

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« Reply #24 on: September 25, 2000, 10:41:00 PM »
Well said again thog.

I'd really like to see a client side filter.

I still haven't decided if the server side filter is better than none at all.

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« Reply #25 on: September 25, 2000, 11:24:00 PM »
HT, that makes too much sense. These guys will never comprehend that.

Try something like...

Free speach for all! No more opression from the man!

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« Reply #26 on: September 25, 2000, 11:26:00 PM »
A necessary thing me thinks. WTG on the filter and it's in the right place.

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« Reply #27 on: September 25, 2000, 11:41:00 PM »
To Hitech: Again, its your call, you make it. I understand your post and I appreciate that you share your reasoning with us. That said, I disagree with the means to your end, and I think a client side filter on/off would be a better solution. The filter as it currently exists doesn't stop people from being annoying.

My main complaint, has been and is squad talk...if I cannot be free to be myself in squad talk, then this is not the game or the environment for me.


To all the asskissers:
The one thing about this game that gets very tiresome is watching the rank-and-file booty smoochers run up to jump in with the high-fives and the crack licking eveytime they see an opportunity. You know exactly what im talking about. Its one thing to agree, or state your opinion, its another thing for the same people over and over to constantly spam their asskissing on the boards and in the game.


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« Reply #28 on: September 25, 2000, 11:43:00 PM »
WTG HTC!!!

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« Reply #29 on: September 25, 2000, 11:50:00 PM »
Sigh, I guess I need to be added to the choir. I appreciate the filter. I was tired of the type of language and the attitude that went with it. That type of language is not a sign of having "grown up". It is exactly the opposite. I log on to fly, not "listen" to some egotist who feels they have to spew trash on the main buffer. If you can't fly with out the "trash" take a hike. It makes about as much sense to have a "need" to cuss as it is to insist that skill at a game makes you a better person that anyone else. It's a game, a way to spend leisure time, not a means to dump on another person.

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