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Offline Ping

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« Reply #60 on: September 26, 2000, 05:25:00 PM »
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« Reply #61 on: September 26, 2000, 06:02:00 PM »
Thanks for the feedback, HT.  As I understand it, the filter isn't about
profanity, rather it's about atmosphere in the arena.
 
HT, you don't have to use profanity to inflame a situation -- it just
takes a few, carefully chosen words and yep, you'll have a brawl on your
hands.

 
Pilot1:
Pilot2: Pilot1, why the salute? I was just cleansing the gene pool.
 
Pilot1: NM
Pilot2: You have to be the biggest dweed in the arena.  Take your salutes and stick them where the sun doesn't shine.
 
and etc.

If your stated effort was to avoid profanity, yeah, that might work.  But
it isn't:  You want to shape verbal exchanges in the arena.
 
It will be interesting to watch though.


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« Reply #62 on: September 26, 2000, 07:20:00 PM »
 
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Thanks HTC.

Ass-kisser Fury

Ahhhh! So that is what AK stands for!  


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« Reply #63 on: September 26, 2000, 07:44:00 PM »
HT..

You never had to explain you actions in this matter. Over the last few months to many idiots started thinking this was a Quake server.

I am glad you handled this profanity situation the way you did. I hear enough of it in real life,dont need my text buffer full o crap here.

tkx Bro...

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« Reply #64 on: September 26, 2000, 08:16:00 PM »
the filter is perfect
keeps our sim going in apositive dirrection.

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« Reply #65 on: September 26, 2000, 10:30:00 PM »
Thog

What planet are you from?

Sorry guys, no patience for such liberal diarrhea err .. point of view.
 That's what has the world in such a mess now. From OJ to Slick Willie, that left way of thinking has me truly baffled.. Here we are talking about a game which you pay to play, if you don't like the rules, then don't play.
For every one person who prefer to be exposed to profanity, I bet there are at least 10 who don't.

Concerning (top down)control, only the truly paranoid worry so much over so little.

get a life

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« Reply #66 on: September 26, 2000, 11:06:00 PM »
Swearing.  In a face to face situation many people would be hesitant to swear at someone else unless it was to a friend, and they had a habit of such behavior.  At most public places I find very few people swearing up a storm, so loud that everyone can hear them.  Even in a bar, or tavern.  When people do swear at each other it's usually when within a private group, or when tempers are flying.  If it's in a private setting, who cares?  When angry people are ready to go at it, then it's time to put a stop to it, or take it outside.

The internet is a peculiar place, because we exist behind the ultimate personal 'firewall', free to speak in any manner we feel with no concern for any physical, or financial injury upon ourselves.  This environment can tempt someone under the alibi of free speech to be as abusive, peurile, or cruel as they want.  For me, this is not balanced, but disruptive, and unsocial.  That people would hold up this sort of behavior like a banner is saddening.

What Hitech has done is nothing more than attempt to make these virtual arenas more 'lifelike' by making people accountable for their actions.  And in a real, physical environment, excessive, and cruel use of profanity will always have its unfortunate consequences with the offender being led off the premises, or those who are offended leaving, at the very least.  Since excessive, loud profanity is not acceptable in real public settings, why should it suddenly be okay here?

I like what Hitech did.  It means I don't have to squelch channel 1 all the time now.  That swearing in squad channels is open is good, because these are restricted, truly private channels, unlike the private channel.

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« Reply #67 on: September 26, 2000, 11:20:00 PM »
 
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Here we are talking about a game which you pay to play, if you don't like the rules, then don't play.

Brilliant logic.  How can you argue with that?  Er.. wait.. many people did when there was no cursing filter.  But they wanted the rules changed.  Guess that was OK then.  Its amazing how many people started saying "Its HTC's company.. they make the rules" AFTER HTC installed the filter.

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« Reply #68 on: September 27, 2000, 08:17:00 AM »
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Here we are talking about a game which you pay to play, if you don't like the rules, then don't play.
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AKDejaVu responded:

"Brilliant logic. How can you argue with that? Er.. wait.. many people did when there was no cursing filter. But they wanted the rules changed. Guess that was OK then. "

I'll rephrase so you get it ..
It's HT prerogative to change the product (their product)they make available to us as consumers whenever and however they choose. It has nothing to do with "free speech" or your particular desires. They take the risk of losing subscribers with each change/update. The loss with this one is minimal I'm sure.
Majority rules and I'm afraid you are in the minority on this one............

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« Reply #69 on: September 27, 2000, 08:24:00 AM »
Eagler said:  
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Sorry guys, no patience for such liberal diarrhea err .. point of view.
That's what has the world in such a mess now. From OJ to Slick Willie, that left way of thinking has me truly baffled..

Eagler, what a bunch of bull. Who knows what political affiliation Thog has, and what difference does it make? Stop trying to turn this into a political debate. I would bet that there are Liberals and Conservatives on both sides of the issue here.

I don't happen to agree with Thog, but at least he hasn't pulled out the "political ego" card on us, like you have.

Sorry to go off on you, but I really hate it when people assume some stereotypical political affiliation just because of the opinions they have on a certain issue.
 

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« Reply #70 on: September 27, 2000, 08:57:00 AM »
Again and again. The issue is not if profanity should be allowed or not. I think mostly everyone agree (implicit or explicitly) that this should not be allowed (and, btw, profanity, as fradim put, is not nearly the worst thing to hear online, even for children, IMO). The point is on the side deciding what is allowed to hear. Even now, you are free to talk whatever (and take the risk of muting) but you are not free to hear what you want.

The point is why having a feasible alternative to protect arena from hard words  and manners without the "I ban you" approach, the bias is put on "I don't want to hear that or that or that....so you can't talk". After all, as Pyro stated, if the offense is big enough, HT can take the real radical and only solution...denial of service.

On the other hand, I think I know when the battle is lost, and this is the case. HT has made his choice, and we have to live with it. No more posts on this thread or any other related for me. Kinda like HO HO! when you got shot down. I've been shot down on this particular matter. Fine. I can live with it. I'm still happy a $29.95/month customer.

Btw, was very funny the "profanity filter override mode" yesterday in the MA. Probably you guys concerned with children exposed to reality will have to give lots of explanations. Sometimes irony and sarcasm maybe harder to explain than plain truth (something, at the end, you will have to explain anyway, assuming that kids' knowledge of real life nowadays don't put the ignorant side on parents field).

Cheers,

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« Reply #71 on: September 27, 2000, 09:49:00 AM »
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You know, I'm amused now.
Why? The funny people.
The funny people who think they have something to prove by fighting for a bad cause, that being the "right" to act like a diseased baboon on the internet, and yet, when THEY force someone like HTC to take steps to curb what the majority feels is not social behavior, They start screaming about "rights" Clue for you, YOU brought this on, YOU have no rights, John Adams would horsewhip YOU through Boston Commons for the language YOU use, YOU could not manage to get out of a roomful of my friends with your face intact using that language.
But, this is "CENSORSHIP", yep indeed in theory, that is exactly what it is.

And it's because of YOU.

 Hi-Tech, I hate it for you man, but you do as you do, you have my support, and if this community cleans up it's act, my money.
Sad fact, my kids share my world and I can explain facets of war and history, but not grown men acting like this.
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« Reply #72 on: September 27, 2000, 10:08:00 AM »
 
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« Reply #73 on: September 27, 2000, 03:27:00 PM »
"Sorry to go off on you, but I really hate it when people assume some stereotypical political affiliation just because of the opinions they have on a certain issue."

Sorry banana, just playing the odds  

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« Reply #74 on: September 27, 2000, 04:52:00 PM »
I have no problem with HTC trying to set an atmosphere in the main arena.

I happen to believe that a server-side filter as currently implemented is a bad idea and very poorly done attempt to reach the goal.

I was most pissed off about the squad channel being changed. I dont cuss on the public channel, I just think its important to preserve the right to do so. That said, since I hear that HTC is going to free up the squad channel, I will consider sticking around.

Bottom line with pure censorship is that it never ends.

All this does is encourage the people who want words banned that are NOT profane, and then people who want entire topics banned. That's not just a prediction, that's already being asked for as we sit here.

You can ban "diddly" or "shit" on the main channel, and while I disagree with the solution used, I will not leave as long as we are free to be ourselves in our squadrons.

But the day you cave in to the hyper-sensitive guilt-ridden overly-vocal minority of people who want non-profanities banned, words such as "Ruskie" or "Gerry" or "Jap" or "Kraut" or stuff like that, then Im definitely leaving. Its a World War II sim for cryin out loud. Small-mindedness and weak constitution in one area is an inidication of problems in other areas.

Where I'm from, its laughable to think that someone would be banned for saying the word "Japs" in a World War II flight simulator arena. Thats just about as stupid as things get.

And oh yeah..anyone who tries to compare Jap as being on the same level as cupcake is either trolling to get some response, or simply incapable of rational critical thinking (a moron).

Jap is short for Japanese.
cupcake is and always has been a racial slur.

Its not even comparable, and its an insult to black people to try and hitch a ride on the real atrocities that they have suffered in this world. People who try to build themselves up as victims and then tack their popsicleness onto someone else's victimization are disgusting and weak.



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