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Offline StSanta

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« Reply #45 on: August 15, 2000, 12:42:00 PM »
Toad:

Well, 30.5, or 31k in a buff is sort of out there in the safety/boredom/dweeb zone. If not in it, then extremely close.

To me, part of what makes AH good is the challenge. And, one of the reasons I originally picked the G10 (apart from rip and wezel telling me it was good if mastered) is that I'm rather impatient and like to get to 20k as fast as possible.

Now, at 30k, there's little that can challenge a buff. Say you have a diving con from 35k; he makes one pass, then has to play catch up. Then have to grab to 34k again, before another attack. All while buffs puff along at rather high speed.

Me; normal attack altin buff is 12k, 22k for HQ strikes. Then there's challenge, and fighters have a chance.

Your mileage may vary. But it is the opinion of this holy saint that 30k buff is dweebery. Not saying the pilot or person is, but the act of flying at those alts is.

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« Reply #46 on: August 15, 2000, 12:42:00 PM »
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« Reply #47 on: August 15, 2000, 12:51:00 PM »
"LOL TAC. A Buff used as a FIGHTER? I simply can't believe Knightland would allow it! After all the complaints about other countries doing it. Did they send you to an FEB and take your wings? "

Nope, it was an experiment I did that night. You were reported at 30k+. Had I taken a fighter, I would never have survived one pass or at best done one pass and then i wouldve been outrun by buffs while my fighter struggles to climb the alt I lost in that pass.

My buff did an amazing turn and dive at 29k without losing alt on the turn. That is AMAZING. A fighter wouldve dropped like a rock.

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« Reply #48 on: August 15, 2000, 01:23:00 PM »
 
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Ah, Swag...

We were all at 30.5 K. NONE higher, until after the drop. I RTB'd at 32K...passed Knight TAC in a B-26, coalt..he revved and got me on final.  Nice Kill, TAC. I never even bothered to see if u turned around.

In fact were were LOWER than the last Knight Zigrat Raid I intercepted on Bish HQ.

I climbed to 33k on those guys North of our HQ (still hadn't dropped), took hits, dove away in a Mustang.

My personal suggestion? Let's remove all buffs and ground vehicles and get back to Fighter Combat! I'm semi-serious, too!    

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mm Toad, i was a 33.5k spit9 and all 17s and 51s were above me by 3 to 5k IB to HQ.

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« Reply #49 on: August 15, 2000, 01:52:00 PM »
Zigrat, the buffs may not have been attached to your mission. They may have been freelancing; they were trailing the pack. It was, however, during one of your missions. I don't view it as a "big deal", however. I think all this "honor" stuff about how one plays the game is just going to leave people frustrated.

People play the way they want to play. Pretty simple really and you can't change human nature.

Whels, if you were the Spit that I think Wpn shot down while we were still a long way from the target...you LOOKED much higher than the buff in front of me that was being attacked. You also LOOKED much higher than I was and I was 28K at that time.

Perhaps there's something in the display that makes everyone look higher. I don't know what your altimeter read, but I ABSOLUTELY know what mine read. Max inbound to drop was 30.5K. RTB, I climbed to 32K.

TAC, so experiments are OK then?  

Well, figure that this was my one "Experiment" for this tour.      I don't do buffs, rarely do ground vehicles.

Santa, I find ALL buffing deep in the boredom zone. But I'm not going to start a flame war with my views on buffing, ground vehicles, ships, and whatever else is coming vis-a-vis a Fighter Air Combat Simulation.  

It's a game. It's a pretty good game. I enjoy it. I don't lose sleep over any of it.

Disagreements do arise when some people expect other people to play a certain way or style.

Without condemning or condoning any of the various behaviors that seem to cause some people heartburn, I'll just observe that people are going to use what is in the game. Whether or not someone approves of the "style".

Bishland is a prime example. I do think the different countries attract different styles of player. Bishland is full of a bunch of independent cusses that "just came for the beer".    

It's real tough to get anything organized in Bishland. Independence is the watchword and loyalty to anything larger than your squad is unusual. Real Estate? Capturing/losing fields in Bishland pretty much draws a "ho-hum" from most. The individual fight is the thing...not some grand strategic concept. If there were a "reset" historical record, I'd wager the Bish are last in winning a reset.

Nightly there are cries for unity, organization and scathing critiques from some who would have us be something we are not. I'm somewhat sympathetic to their pleas...but face facts: BISH are just not good at that.   There's too much of the "freelancer" in our makeup.

Knightland otoh seems real focused. Does it draw that kind of player? Does it draw people that need that experience, that feeling of belonging to a big organzied unit?

I don't know; don't really thing about it.

 I just know I'm happy where I am right now and enjoying the game. One reason I enjoy it is that I rarely buff or tank.  

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« Reply #50 on: August 15, 2000, 02:12:00 PM »
Maybe HTC could put somekind of cloud layer over the fields in 22k ?
Then buffs could climb to safe alt if they wanted so but need to came down if they want to hit anything ?

IMO this really is the issue which should be handled somehow. Buff's defensive armament is already allmost too much to handle and if some dweebs climb over 30k it's really too much.
Last week I killed 3 Spits in a buff @22k.
Other planes (Nik+Spit)left me alone  

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« Reply #51 on: August 15, 2000, 02:24:00 PM »
btw:
This is what my b-17 looked after that ride. She really looked like a swiss cheese but I managed to "come home" and didn't fly at 30k. I really had fun then  

       
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« Reply #52 on: August 15, 2000, 03:26:00 PM »
 
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Whels, if you were the Spit that I think Wpn shot down while we were still a long way from the target...you LOOKED much higher than the buff in front of me that was being attacked. You also LOOKED much higher than I was and I was 28K at that time.

Perhaps there's something in the display that makes everyone look higher. I don't know what your altimeter read, but I ABSOLUTELY know what mine read. Max inbound to drop was 30.5K. RTB, I climbed to 32K.

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nope i wasnt shot down, i actually killed 2 higher 51s and rtbed after the buffs bugged out. but as i engaged jst east of HQ i was 33.5k and all enemy planes were higher by 3k
at the least.

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« Reply #53 on: August 15, 2000, 03:38:00 PM »
All I can say is that it wasn't me then. Inbound 30.5, after drop default climb to 32k.
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« Reply #54 on: August 15, 2000, 03:40:00 PM »
I love that list for the B-17, all the parts that can be damaged.  

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« Reply #55 on: August 15, 2000, 05:56:00 PM »
 
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For your information, when the kniggits had A1, we ran several bombing missios to bish and rook hq. On those I joined, the buffs didn't go above 23k.



Off topic,

Im sick off seeing this word "kniggits", come up with something else to describe the Knights, that one is just wrong.


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« Reply #56 on: August 15, 2000, 06:14:00 PM »
OK, I'll ask...what's wrong with k'niggits?
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« Reply #57 on: August 15, 2000, 06:20:00 PM »
If you really need to ask, dont worry about it SOB.

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« Reply #58 on: August 15, 2000, 06:23:00 PM »
I'd like to point out that the HQ flight was spotted at 20-22k over A1 when (I think it was Knits) saw us flying over that huge furbal outside A1. I know I saw a Spit and a 190 at least 7k above us but never bothered to engage. P-38 came along too before we left the A1 sector.

That, and all the counters in the A1 sector had ALOT to do with why we climbed to 30k (I was 30,200 during the HQ run) I had leveled the flight out at 21k over A1 till the Spit and all the lower dots showed up.

As Toad said, it was a one time thing. I'd rather be doin somethin else.

Whels, I only saw two Spits during the entire flight. The first one over A1 that was MUCH higher then us, and the one over HQ that dove on me after the 88mm had lit me up. I don't think that was our flight. Might of been the guys hitting A20, but they weren't flyin with our mission.

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« Reply #59 on: August 15, 2000, 06:35:00 PM »
Well, here's what I'm thinking about whenever I mention it . . .

...from Monty Python & the Holy Grail...
An armor-clad face appears at the top of the rampart.
It speaks in an outrageous French accent.
 
Soldier: 'Allo!  'Oo is it?
Arthur: It is I, King Arthur, and these are my knights of the Round Table. Whose castle is this?
S: This is the castle of my master, Guy de Lombard.
A: Go and tell your master that we have been charged by God with a sacred quest.  If he will give us food and shelter for the night, he can join us in our quest for the Holy Grail.
S: Well, I'll ask 'im, but I don't think 'e'll be very keen-- 'e's already got one, you see?
A: What?
Lancelot: He says they've already *got* one!
A: (confused) Are you *sure* he's got one?
S: Oh yes, it's ver' naahs. (to the other soldiers  I told 'em we've already *got* one! (they snicker)
A: (taken a bit off balance) Well... ah, um...   Can we come up and have a look?
S: Of course not!  You are English types.
A: Well, what are you then?
S: (Indignant) Ah'm French!  Why do you think I have this out-rrrageous accent, you silly king?!
Galahad: What are you doing in *England*?
S: Mind your own business!
A: If you will not show us the Grail, we shall take your castle by force!
S: You don't frighten us, English pig-dogs! go and boil your bottoms, son of a silly person!  Ah blow my nose at you, so-called "Arthur Keeeng"!  You and all your silly English Knnnnnnnn-ighuts!!!
 
(the soldier proceeds to bang on his helmet with his hands and stick out his
tongue at the knights, making strange noises.)
 
...
 http://www.intriguing.com/mp/scripts/french.txt

Nothing wrong with a little Monty Python here and there, eh?


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