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mrblack · « **Reply #45 on:** November 12, 2003, 06:26:31 PM »

I pity the village you are depriving of an idiot.

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Lazerus · « **Reply #46 on:** November 12, 2003, 10:36:12 PM »

Going to let this one die too Nexus?

Just admit that you were wrong, it's easier.

NUKE · « **Reply #47 on:** November 12, 2003, 10:38:55 PM »

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Originally posted by DmdNexus
Were you born a neocon gimp or did you decide to become one?

I dont understand why he is still allowed on the BB after all his personal attacks.

Lazerus · « **Reply #48 on:** November 12, 2003, 11:17:32 PM »

I guess it's past his bedtime.

I'll re-punt tomorrow.

Lazerus · « **Reply #49 on:** November 13, 2003, 02:55:15 PM »

re-punt

wrag · « **Reply #50 on:** November 14, 2003, 01:03:14 PM »

Hmmm....

Gitmo is leased land that must be returned when the lease is up was the report I heard. While it is under lease it is like Hong Kong was for the Brits.

As to the detainees hmm ... you might wanna read the patriot act.

According to the Patriot act the constitution does NOT extend to anyone labeled a terrorist. I do hope we don't get anyone like Adolf in charge while the patriot act is still in effect. In fact D.A.'s are now using portions of the act against Americans today. This has been reported on the local news.

Patriot act II is even worse.

As to tail gunner Joe, latest word is he was correct in most of his accusations. The individuals reported as spy's were spy's. The KGB types in the old Sov. Un. admitted it when the Sov. Un. dissolved .

As to communism/socialism it is alive and still going strong and is now openly supporting the Dem's.

This information is all available to you on the net. Check it out! Read the information. It's there.

midnight Target · « **Reply #51 on:** November 14, 2003, 01:58:19 PM »

The only reason McCarthy might have gotten something right is the same reason you might hit the side of a barn with a sawed off shotgun blindfolded.

Neither reason has anything to do with being a straight shooter.

Sabre · « **Reply #52 on:** November 14, 2003, 02:18:52 PM »

MT wrote:

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So the HUAC did "a lot of good things".

McCarthey has been blamed and villified for a lot of things that happened while he was in office, most of which are false.

Falsehood 1: "McCarthey's HUAC..." HUAC stands for House Un-American Activites Committee." Senator McCarthey had no juristiction over this or any other House of Represenatives committee. He didn't blacklist anyone. Others did, often envoking McCarthey's name, but without his blessing or support. That some other unscrupuous people used the widespread (no, it wasn't just McCarthey who was concerned) fear of traitors in our midst to do harm to others for revenge or profit is not McCarthey's fault. Most of the things he tried to warn people about were later proven to be true. Do a little more research. I'm afraid you've been misled by the masterful charactor assasination job perpatrated against this man.

kappa · « **Reply #53 on:** November 14, 2003, 02:21:23 PM »

What was that book McCarthy help up on the Senate floor claiming to have names in it?? Known members of the communist party??

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wrag · « **Reply #54 on:** November 14, 2003, 02:28:37 PM »

"The only reason McCarthy might have gotten something right is the same reason you might hit the side of a barn with a sawed off shotgun blindfolded.

Neither reason has anything to do with being a straight shooter."

Hmmm...

Interesting...

OK don't go look for yourself.

The information is available.

Continue to Ignore it.

I see no reason to bother with attempting to communicate anything with or to you.

Your mind is made up and no amount of information will change it even if that information can be prov-en to be true.

You SEEM to prefer that classic liberal democrat/socialist tactic of insults/revert to emotionalism and aggression to any real discussion and reason when the facts don't seem to support your argument.

I never said I supported McCarthy or his actions. In fact I never brought up McCarthy.

Yes I do NOT agree with communism or socialism as I have seen what it is and how it works.

The world has also seen it ... The NAZI's were socialist. Pol Pot was ... Joseph Stalin was ... Mao was ...

Sadly many Dem's have begun to spout similar words to those put forth by the above. (This statement is provable by simply using the Dem's own words that are on record!)

I do however request that you prove or produce truth to support your statements.......

midnight Target · « **Reply #55 on:** November 14, 2003, 02:39:18 PM »

LOL...

YOU claim McCarthy has been vindicated, then YOU challenge me to look it up because YOU don't want to post the "facts" then YOU say I'm just slinging mud and won't listen to reason.

Too funny dude.

Sabre · « **Reply #56 on:** November 14, 2003, 03:41:53 PM »

A bit of further information on the career of McCarthy...

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1946 - Elected to the U.S. Senate by an overwhelming majority. He was anti-tax and against price, rent and credit controls. His first major act was, even as a new Senator, to lead the fight against continuation of wartime sugar controls.

1950, February 9 - McCarthy made an electrifying speech at Wheeling, West VA, that he had a list of Communists in the State Department. By July he was a major political force. John F. Kennedy told Harvard students that "he knew Joe pretty well, and he may have something." In February 1952, John Kennedy called McCarthy a "great American patriot." In 1953 Bobby Kennedy joined McCarthy's staff and McCarthy was godfather to Bobby's first child. Bobby was always loyal to Joe.

1951, June 14 - McCarthy gave a brilliant speech dissecting the career of General George Catlett Marshall ("A living lie") and his mistakes in World War II. Congressional Record, 82nd Congress pp 6556-6603. It was published as Retreat From Victory, NY:Devin-Adair, 1951. Here is a link to his book online - America's Retreat From Victory, The Story of George C. Marshall Here is a link to a brief summary of McCarthy's speech - McCarthy's June 14, 1951 speech on Marshall

By 1953 - McCarthy was credited with defeating a dozen Democrat senators including Senate majority leader Ernst McFarland, majority whip Francis Myers of PA, powerful 4-term Senator Millard Tydings of MD, Scott Lucas of IL, and Elbert Thomas of UT. McCarthy almost single-handedly destroyed the Democrat party and they vowed revenge. A group of left-wing assassins created a group called the Clearing House to smear McCarthy. They got much of their information from columnist Jack Anderson.

1953 - Joe McCarthy became Chairman of the Committee on Government Operations. His reputation rests almost solely on the events of 1953. In the spring, he investigated waste and mismanagement at Voice of America. In the summer, he investigated the State Department overseas information libraries and 30,000 pro-Communist books were withdrawn from them. In the fall, he investigated the Army and the Defense Department focusing on the spy rings at Ft. Monmouth, NJ. That was where the Rosenbergs had infiltrated US atomic secrecy. A few years later, a Democrat Congress decided Ft. Monmouth was so compromised by Soviet penetration that it had to be shut down.

1954 - The 2 month long Army-McCarthy Hearings were watched by 20 million people on television. McCarthy investigated an Army dentist named Irving Peress who took the 5th amendment 20 times in connection with his affiliation with the Communist Party. In its report on the Peress case, the McClellan Committee said that "some 48 errors of more than minor importance were committed by the Army in connection with the commissioning, transfer, promotion, and honorable discharge of Irving Peress." As a result, the Army made some sweeping changes in its security program, including a policy statement that said "the taking of the Fifth Amendment by an individual queried about his Communist affiliations is sufficient to warrant the issuance of a general discharge rather than an honorable discharge."The Army countercharged on March 11 that Roy Cohn, a McCarthy committee staff member had tried to get extra passes for a former staffer David Schine. The Hearings concluded that McCarthy himself had nothing to do with it, but the committee also concluded that Army Secretary Robert Stevens and Army Counsel John Adams "made efforts to terminate or influence the investigation and hearings at Fort Monmouth," and that Adams "made vigorous and diligent efforts" to block subpoenas for members of the Army Loyalty and Screening Board "by means of personal appeal to certain members of the [McCarthy] committee."

The State Department's Owen Lattimore was the man that McCarthy made the most allegations against. McCarthy went so far as to say that he would stake his entire reputation on the question of whether Lattimore was a Communist agent. Now, of course, we have absolute proof that McCarthy was right.
During McCarthy's entire career "1947 to 1958 no American citizen was interrogated without benefit of legal counsel, none was arrested or detained without due judicial process, and no one went to jail without trial." (A. Herman, p 3) The Communist Party was not outlawed and being a member was not a crime.
July 30, 1954, Senator Ralph Flanders introduced a resolution accusing McCarthy of conduct "unbecoming a member of the United States Senate." Flanders two months earlier had told the Senate that McCarthy's "anti-Communism so completely parallels that of Adolf Hitler as to strike fear into the hearts of any defenseless minority."

When a special session of the Senate convened on November 8, 1954, these were two charges to be debated and voted on: 1) That Senator McCarthy had "failed to cooperate" in 1952 with the Senate Subcommittee on Privileges and Elections that was looking into certain aspects of his private and political life in connection with a resolution for his expulsion from the Senate; and 2) That in conducting a senatorial inquiry, Senator McCarthy had "intemperately abused" General Ralph Zwicker. These were both bogus charges. No one has to voluntarily come before a Senate Committee, least of all a Senator. The Zwicker count was dropped at the last moment. Before the Senate Armed Services Committee on March 21, 1957, Zwicker's own assessment of his testimony before McCarthy on February 18, 1954, was: "I think there are some circumstances … that would certainly tend to give a person the idea that perhaps I was recalcitrant, perhaps I was holding back, and perhaps I wasn't too cooperative.... I am afraid I was perhaps overcautious and perhaps on the defensive, and that this feeling … may have inclined me to be not as forthright, perhaps, in answering the questions put to me as I might have been otherwise."

Sabre · « **Reply #57 on:** November 14, 2003, 03:43:46 PM »

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Perhaps because the charges were so bogus, perhaps because he wanted publicity, Joe McCarthy avoided several opportunities to dismiss the censure resolution (which was so poorly worded that it didn't even have the word 'censure' in it). He welcomed a vote. It went against him. Although meaningless in itself, it gave the liberal press the excuse to ignore and/or bash McCarthy the rest of his life. In June 1953, McCarthy was a normal Senator with a 35 percent favorable rating and 30 percent unfavorable. In January 1954 he was 50 percent favorable; in March he had 46 favorable, 36 against. Then the liberal media did a hatchet job on him and in August 1954 he had 36 percent favorable and 51 percent unfavorable rating. McCarthy retained about 35 percent favorable ratings throughout the rest of his life.

1957, May 2 - Joseph R. McCarthy died from acute hepatitus.

CONCLUSION

With the opening of the KGB archives and the release of the VENONA intercepts - decoded Soviet KGB and GRU traffic - it has been proved that McCarthy was absolutely right about the extensive Soviet penetration of the U.S. government in all the most sensitive sections and its danger to America. According to the KGB archives the NKVD had 221 agents in the Roosevelt administration in April 1941 and the Soviet military GRU probably had a like number. He was proved right that the Communist Party, U.S.A., was an arm of the Soviet intelligence apparatus and the Soviet Union considered the US as their "main enemy." His liberal critics in academe and the mainstream media, who denied there was Communist subversion and made excuses for it, were proved absolutely wrong! This should have discredited the liberal ideology and those who mouthed it. Because the left had no answer or effective reply to the challenge McCarthy posed, they engaged in personal destruction - they smeared and demonized McCarthy because he was truth.

Joseph McCarthy was the giant of his day. His supporters and associates all went on to the highest success: Roy Cohn became one of the greatest defense lawyers in America; Everett Dirkson went on to have a most distinguished career in the Senate as did Barry Goldwater; Richard Nixon and John F. Kennedy went on to become President.

America Was at War with Total Evil and the Liberals were on the Other Side

Joe McCarthy's great achievement was that he helped popularize a deep public animosity toward Communism and its agents. McCarthy attacked liberalism itself, exposing its fraud by proving liberal's willingness to side with Communist infiltration and treason, to glamorize the brutality of Communist governments. Liberalism sympathizes with and protects Communism's champions and professes to find moral worth in a system of absolute evil. Liberalism and Communism are both infected with the same materialistic secular virus and have such philosophical affinity that usually they can not be distinguished. Their identical world-view creates a "strong affinity between the Communists and New Dealers; between the progressive and totalitarian visions of the maximalist state." (Professor A. Herman)

In the long lens of history, Joseph R. McCarthy will be considered one of the very greatest Americans because he was a great patriot. He was the American St. George. He fought the dragon.

Eternal Vigilance is the Price of Freedom
"There he came, from the heartland of America, a tenacious and quite ordinary politician; and in a sudden and lasting moment of recognition, he saw the central truth of his age: that his country, his faith, his civilization was at war with communism, war pure and simple. 'This war will not end except in either victory or death for this civilization' he said again and again."(Willi Schlamm)..."And so this fallen warrior, though dead, speaketh, calling a nation of free men to be delivered from the complacency of a false security and from regarding those who loudly sound the trumpets of vigilance and alarm as mere disturbers of the peace."
- Senate Chaplain Rev. Frederick Brown Harris at Senator Joe McCarthy's memorial.

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The definitive book on McCarthy is The Life and Times of Joseph McCarthy, Professor Thomas C. Reeves, 1997.

Joseph McCarthy: Reexamining the Life and Legacy of America's Most Hated Senator By Arthur Herman, NY:Free Press, 1999

McCarthy's best book is America's Retreat From Victory, The Story of George C. Marshall

Little different perspective on the man than what is generally portrayed in the mainstream media.

midnight Target · « **Reply #58 on:** November 14, 2003, 04:35:26 PM »

Thank you Sabre. Interesting read.

midnight Target · « **Reply #59 on:** November 14, 2003, 05:08:48 PM »

So is this...

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Transcript of Senate Resolution 301: Censure of Senator Joseph McCarthy (November 9, 1954)

Resolved, That the Senator from Wisconsin, Mr. McCarthy, failed to cooperate with the Subcommittee on Privileges and Elections of the Senate Committee on Rules and Administration in clearing up matters referred to that subcommittee which concerned his conduct as a Senator and affected the honor of the Senate and, instead, repeatedly abused the subcommittee and its members who were trying to carry out assigned duties, thereby obstructing the constitutional processes of the Senate, and that this conduct of the Senator from Wisconsin, Mr. McCarthy, is contrary to senatorial traditions and is hereby condemned.

Sec 2. The Senator from Wisconsin, Mr. McCarthy, in writing to the chairman of the Select Committee to Study Censure Charges (Mr. Watkins) after the Select Committee had issued its report and before the report was presented to the Senate charging three members of the Select Committee with "deliberate deception" and "fraud" for failure to disqualify themselves; in stating to the press on November 4, 1954, that the special Senate session that was to begin November 8, 1954, was a "lynch-party"; in repeatedly describing this special Senate session as a "lynch bee" in a nationwide television and radio show on November 7, 1954; in stating to the public press on November 13, 1954, that the chairman of the Select Committee (Mr. Watkins) was guilty of "the most unusual, most cowardly things I've ever heard of" and stating further: "I expected he would be afraid to answer the questions, but didn't think he'd be stupid enough to make a public statement"; and in characterizing the said committee as the "unwitting handmaiden," "involuntary agent" and "attorneys-in-fact" of the Communist Party and in charging that the said committee in writing its report "imitated Communist methods -- that it distorted, misrepresented, and omitted in its effort to manufacture a plausible rationalization" in support of its recommendations to the Senate, which characterizations and charges were contained in a statement released to the press and inserted in the Congressional Record of November 10, 1954, acted contrary to senatorial ethics and tended to bring the Senate into dishonor and disrepute, to obstruct the constitutional processes of the Senate, and to impair its dignity; and such conduct is hereby condemned.

Transcription courtesy of the U.S. Department of State's Information USA website.

Conclusion.... McCarthy was a lunatic.