AL GORE sore looser

[mrblack]

Gore: Bush Has Failed to Make U.S. Safer
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By JENNIFER C. KERR, Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON - Former Vice President Al Gore (news - web sites) accused President Bush (news - web sites) on Sunday of failing to make the country safer after the Sept. 11 attacks and using the war against terrorism as a pretext to consolidate power.


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"They have taken us much farther down the road toward an intrusive, 'big brother'-style government — toward the dangers prophesied by George Orwell in his book '1984' — than anyone ever thought would be possible in the United States of America," Gore charged in a speech.


Gore, who lost the disputed 2000 presidential election to Bush, said terrorism-fighting tools granted after Sept. 11 amount to a partisan power grab that have led to the erosion of the civil liberties of all Americans.


He brought many the crowd of 3,000 to their feet when he called for a repeal of the Patriot Act, which expanded government's surveillance and detention power, allowing authorities to monitor books people read and conduct secret searches.


Gore chided the administration for what he said was its "implicit assumption" that Americans must give up traditional freedoms in order to be safe from terrorists.


"In my opinion, it makes no more sense to launch an assault on our civil liberties as the best way to get at terrorists than it did to launch an invasion of Iraq (news - web sites) as the best way to get at Osama bin Laden (news - web sites)," Gore said.


In both cases, Gore said, the administration has "recklessly put our country in grave and unnecessary danger."


He also said the administration still has "no serious strategy" for domestic security — charging that there aren't sufficient protections in place for ports, nuclear facilities, chemical plants and other key infrastructure.


His speech was sponsored by the liberal activist group Moveon.org, which earlier this year held an online presidential primary in which Howard Dean (news - web sites) finished first.


The second sponsor, the American Constitution Society, is a national organization of law students, professors, lawyers and others that says it seek to counter what it characterizes as the dominant, narrow conservative vision of American law today.


The Patriot Act was passed overwhelmingly by Congress after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, but has been under attack by liberals and even many conservatives who say the law intrudes too much into Americans' lives in the name of fighting terror.


Democrats have been trying to build support in the Senate to rolling back portions of the law and some Republicans say it needs to be changed.


"The Patriot Act crossed the line on several key areas of civil liberties," Sen. Richard Durbin, D-Ill, a member of the Senhate Judiciary Committee (news - web sites) said last month.


Changes must be made to the law if it is to be renewed in 2005, agreed GOP Sen. Larry Craig of Idaho, another member of the Judiciary Committee.

WHAT a TOOL

[Chairboy]

Is he a tool for:

a. What he said
or b. Who he is while saying it?

[rpm]

He is a "tool" for being absolutely correct.

[Creamo]

He brought many the crowd of 3,000 to their feet when he called for a repeal of the Patriot Act, which expanded government's surveillance and detention power, allowing authorities to monitor books people read and conduct secret searches.


Gore chided the administration for what he said was its "implicit assumption" that Americans must give up traditional freedoms in order to be safe from terrorists.


"In my opinion, it makes no more sense to launch an assault on our civil liberties as the best way to get at terrorists than it did to launch an invasion of Iraq (news - web sites) as the best way to get at Osama bin Laden (news - web sites)," Gore said.

Wow, maybe he should have won.

[Yeager]

I just watched his speech on CSPAN.

The man has really come a long way as far as being interesting
to listen to but I just cant bring myself to regard what he has to say as anything much past the partison politics he so loudly  complains about.

Im saddened that the democratic party has slid so far to the extreme liberal left that they have basically created the rope that they are hanging themselves from.  No place for conservative or moderate democrats to roost.  Dean knows it but when he trys to reach out to those who have abandoned a critical and demaning party platform he is invariably roasted by the likes of Kerry and Edwards.

The trick is for the republicans to continue to provide a safe port
for people who consider themselves democrats but conservative or moderate while maintaining a similar port for the more moderate and liberal republicans to enjoy.  Somehow I think they will manage...with people like Gore to focus in on that cant be too hard a thing to manage.

[LePaul]

This just in...Al Gore invents "spin"  

Did you really expect anything else from Gore?  I mean, really?

[lazs2]

This from the guy who wants to take all your guns and cars away "for your own good".
lazs

[Sandman]

If you won the popular vote but lost the election, you would be sore also.

[Mini D]

The great irony of gore's speach is that he criticizes the Patriot Act for it's restriction of freedoms.  Would have been more apropriate if he just admitted he feels the wrong freedoms are being restricted.

BTW... I don't recall the Patriot Act being partisan based.  I hate the bill myself as do alot of Republicans I know.  Alot of Democrats I know feel it doesn't go far enough.

Oh well.

MiniD

[Sandman]

Originally posted by Mini D

BTW... I don't recall the Patriot Act being partisan based.  I hate the bill myself as do alot of Republicans I know.  Alot of Democrats I know feel it doesn't go far enough.

You hit that on the head. It's becoming increasingly more difficult to identify republicans or democrats. Perfect example is Swarzenegger...

[DmdNexus]

Originally posted by Mini D
BTW... I don't recall the Patriot Act being partisan based.  I hate the bill myself as do alot of Republicans I know.  Alot of Democrats I know feel it doesn't go far enough.

Oh well.

MiniD

Minor changes were made in the House, which passed the bill 357 to 66. The Senate and House versions were quickly reconciled, and the Act was signed into law on October 26, 2001.

It has a lot of Democratic supports.

http://www.epic.org/privacy/terrorism/usapatriot/

[Sabre]

Referring to "Al-Quida Gore" and his remarks to these quasi-communist organizations, I'd like to coin a new term.  This type of rhetoric, in time of war and with our troops in harms way, is nothing short of "political terrorism."  It undercuts national will, is harder on the moral of our deployed troops than most comprehend, and plays right into the desires of the enemies of a free and democratic Iraq.  Voice concern if you must; provide constructive suggestions if you have them.  But accusing the CinC of deliberately using the 9-11 attacks as a means of increasing his power and curtailing civil liberties is cowardly at best and treasonous at worst.  That goes for the Deans, Kerrys, and Kennedys as well.  

Can anyone tell me who in this country has had their civil liberties wrongly curtailed as a direct result of the Patriot Act?  Sen. Fienstien of CA (whom I dislike, but respect because she actually bothered to read the PA) asked the ACLU, who is sueing the FedGov over the PA, how many cases they could site.  Their answer? Zero!  She went on to say that the majority of complaints about the PA received by her office concerned provisions of the PA that don't actually exist.  They were either considered but left off, or were never more than "vapor-provisions" in the first place.  Rumors circulated to create a sense of fear of the PA in the minds of the uneducated.

[Dago]

Gore is a worthless politician, what has he ever done of substance that he should judge others?

Oh yeah, he solicitied funds from the White House in violation of the law.  He sold nights in the Lincoln bedroom to those who contributed greatly to the Democratic election fund (of which he would take great advantage while running for President).

He showed neither loyalty to Clintion nor moral outrage by Clintons behavior, instead sitting quietly on the fence trying to serve his own political future.  

He allowed pathetic tactics to move forward trying to win the election that he did LOSE.    Anyone who hasn't learned it yet, the popular vote does not elect a President, the electoral college does.  Been that way forever, I even learned it in grade school, where they told us "it's possible to get the most popular votes, but lose the electoral college and lose the election".

I am thankful that Bush did win, since Gore would have done absolutely nothing of substance to eliminate terrorism, instead he would have probably gone around apologizing for the World Trade Center buildings having gotten in the way of those poor Muslim pilots.

I hate Gore almost as much as I hate Hillary and Bill, and Barbra Streisand.  He is just slightly less naueseating.


dago

[DmdNexus]

Originally posted by Sabre
Can anyone tell me who in this country has had their civil liberties wrongly curtailed as a direct result of the Patriot Act?  

Actually, there are two Americans at GITMO in Cuba, that have been denied their constitutional rights. they are not allowed to see their attornies nor are they allowed to refute the charges against them. Their liberty to lead their lives in the last 18 months has been taken away from them. If the government believes they have comitted a crime, the government is obligated to charge them with a crime and allow them a speedy trial to determine if they are guilty or innocent. Instead the government is holding them indefinately with out charges depriving them of their constitutional rights and liberty.

Their case as well as the 600 held there is not in the hands of the Supreme court.

http://www.cnn.com/2003/LAW/11/10/scotus.detainees/index.html

It's likely that most of those detained were combatants. However, it's also likely that one or two are not... They were at the wrong place, at the wrong time.

America either is based upon the constitution or it is not. An act of Congress and an executive order can not override the rights the Constitution gives each citizen (also each non-citizen.. yes the Supreme Court has rule that the constitution applies to non-citizens also).

The question before the court will be is GITMO defacto US territory, do US courts have jurisprudence and can a US citizen's constitutional rights to due process be arbitrarily waved by the attorney general....

Don't change that bat channel....
This will be an interesting decision....
Presidents have been bucked before... and they have been deferred too also...

All the previous federal apeals decisions have favored the governement... so why are the Supremes jumping?
to either make the decisions iron clad... or to correct a wrong.

[DmdNexus]

Originally posted by Dago
Gore is a worthless politician, what has he ever done of substance that he should judge others?

He "invented  the internet" (aka funded ARPA)which is allowing YOU to write your opposition to his policies and his political career.