Worse than cursing

[fradim]

 

Originally posted by Rooster:
Fradim, I understand that you were upset by the public chat that you saw. Could you please elucidate on what your personal code of ethics would allow people to discuss on open comm? Then if everyone else would please respond with their personal prejudices we could then have a big kill filter to save everyone from being offended in any way what so ever.

Rooster,

Looks like you are the one who doesn't understand that people can share a mean of comunication without ofending other people. Unfortunately, my own experience in the Internet in general (more than 7 years) and with online sims in particular (almost 3 years) has showed me this is possible. I know, at least virtually, players from Canada, USA, China, South America and Europe who are a living prove that notions like decency, ethics and respect are not particular and relative to some cultures but indeed they belong to human kind.

That's why I don't believe we need any kind of filter besides our own good sense and, most of all, a sense of human dignity. But if you cannot understand this, all I can say is that I am really sorry.

[Badger]

 

Originally posted by Creamo:
OH, and download Crimson Skies if you want to see how well a Pacific Theater can be done. Well worth it.

Hey creamo....<S>

I did download the demo and had a ball with it.  It's certainly not a realistic flight simulation, but it is a heck of a lot of fun as an escapist game for pure entertainment.  I actually went out and bought the full version.  The scenery and terrain are fabulous, especially trees that really look like trees.

If you ever want to bash away 1 on 1 sometime, let me know.  I've had a hard time getting games in the Zone to stick after loading, perhaps it's the lag.  The ones I've managed to get going have been a riot.

Regards,
Badger

[NUTTZ]

 

Originally posted by fradim:
I have witnessed this depressing conversation last sunday at night, in the
public channel of Main Arena. I have omitted names because if it were personal I would send this message to them:
 
1st pilot: women from south america
2nd pilot: lol
1st pilot: i actually think they are cheaper from the philipines though
2rd pilot: nah, eastern bloc countries are best
1st pilot: but they got snaggle teeth
3rd pilot: Philipines ... thats where ya wanna order a wife
4th pilot: 1st pilot your mistaken, they have no teeth
......
 
I really don't care what these people think. But I DO care when they express these unworthy ideas in a public channel, in such a shameless and unconcerned manner. This is certainly not something we might expect to see in a mutinational environment as the one we have in Aces High.
 
I have decided to avoid any kind of quarrel out of respect for the other players online and my squad mates. Besides, I believe this is the best forum in which we can discuss such issues, in a mature way.
 
I hope we all remember here that Aces High is not just a game/sim: it's a community, in which we interact with people from all over the world; people with their own ideas and biases but who share with us the same need of
respect and civility.

fradim

I'll be the First to admit, I don't hide my actions, BUT i must intervien here, I Am one of these People that said a few lines you have quoted AND  what we see here are 2 different ( but close) intertwined conversations ( with 3 people) taken out of context.  I've re-read what you wrote. I didn't curse, i didn't use any racial slurs. The conversation sarted out by me noting how the Olympic womens swim team looks like men. Now this is my observation that i STILL believe to be true. Now with that said, you may pick it apart, and THINK that i mean ALL Russian women look like men, but that is not what was said. I can even be quoted as saying NJ is the armpit of the USA. I was born in NJ and live in PA on the river side. I can take corrective critizism and most of all can laught at my self. Not to offend, but your confusing 2 interwined conservations, which none were ment to offend.

NUTTZ

[NUTTZ]

 

Originally posted by Andres:
Yo All!

Wrong is say things like: "Woman from south america are cheaper".

[]s to all!
Andre(S)

Andre, Your mixing words from 3 people in 2 different conversations. I was there! this is my problem, your mixing my quote, adding words, and applying it to another conversation.

NUTTZ

[NUTTZ]

Westy , you remember an individual posting in bigweek about how immoral it is joking about sheep shagging? Bigweek shut down over this.

I hope Ah doesn't turn this way.
NUTTZ

[Vulcan]

Did someone say Anal Retentive?

Honestly some people around here have no sense of humour!

I'm a New Zealander and I don't take offence when people abuse Australians and call them things like sheep-shagging-inbreds, or natural blondes, or koala-hugging-vermin, or even scummy-descendents-of-convicts EVEN though they are our next door neighbours.

We need some major laxatives applied around this place :-)

[fradim]

Vulcan,

My squad mates know me for more than 2 years. Never we have discussed even though MOL is a very "anarchic" squad and people there makes really often jokes about one another.

But I confess I do not have a good sense of humour on some issues. Thatīs why I am particularly careful when dealing with other people and other culture and I am sure nobody here or in WB has ever witnessed any unpleasant comments from me.

Nutz,

I admit that I may not be sure about one of these people who were chating. I donīt want to be unfair. Thatīs one of the reasons why I wouldntīt point to anyone in particular. Anyway, I am quite sure of the main topic and that except is very clear about this.

I have read your post in another thread in which you said about your anger with others opinion about Hiroshima and Nagasaki. I DO underst and  respect your feelings.
But remember other people have the same right to feel sensitive on some issues for their own reasons. Thatīs what itīs all about: I have simply saked people here to be more concerned about these diferences and try to respect other people.

fradim

[cokerr]

Hey, I bought all 3 of my wives
And I'm still paying
It was the installment plan.
Coker

[Westy]

 Yikes Nuttz!  That guy was a full blown psycho nutcase that makes Avenger look like a Cub Scout and not very analogous to anything going on here to be honest. He was a pure disruptive sorry bellybutton soul. And I don't think HTC would stand for his antics one bit as "you know who" did.
  But your message isn't lost. I personally don't want a Stepford Sim where everyone is so nice, neat and well behaved. I do however applaud HTC's use of the filter online and I only wanted to show support for a call for folks to show respect online for each other. I know I'm kind of pissing into the wind on the "respect online issue" but I can't go out with a whimper and just say the heck with it and not try to make a difference.

  -Westy

[Rooster]

 

Originally posted by miko2d:
 I could easily program one of my controllers to produce the following combination:
"/XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX<Enter>
<Shift>/XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX<Enter>
<Ctl>XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXXX<Enter>"
 Then I could make a simple device that would press that button twice a second, so all you see in the ch1 buffer and country buffer is XXXXXXX...
 Since I have a DSL line, I could just leave it on 24 hours 7 days a week for my $30 flat rate fee.
 Would you, Rooster, argue that nobody should interfere and stop me?

 You probably would, but HTC would say "you hurt our revenue - you are out of here!" They are not here to protect my constitutional right to annoy other people. They are here to make money while doing things they love. Irritating their customers is not conductive to either of their goals.

 Their (HTC) solutions to problms are usually a bit late but very smart and well-founded. There is probably a reason why people with stupid ideas do not have their own companies...

 miko

Obviously the concept of hyperbole passed you by. I personally do not care for some of what passes as banter on ch.1 either. My point is dealing with a public situation means living with other peoples bad manners. Thankfully .squelch 1 is a sufficinient solution. BUT I will not stand for people to foist their personal codes sense and morality upon me. What is totaly offensive to one culture or person, is accepted and honored in another. Where do YOU draw the line? Thankyou for your assinine reply.

[Dowding]

Some of you guys have got real problems. Some of the posturing you guys perform, to try and turn this into an anti-censorship argument make me laugh.

I'm not going to speak for Fradim, he can speak for himself perfectly well, but I took his post to be a complaint about the tone of the discussion he witnessed. It was completely ignorant of whoever might have been listening. Fradim makes this point very well in my opinion.

Fradim was advocating for people to be a little more respectful of the multi-national aspect of AH. What in hell nis wrong with that?

 

at this pace someday there will be smoke detectors to prevent people smoking while playing AH

Don't be ridiculous, RAM. You blow a legitimate point out of all proportion.

Do so very few of you find the discussion in the least bit disturbing?

Regarding 'buying' women from abroad - do what you like, but I couldn't look myself in the mirror if I had to 'purchase' a wife. Hardly romantic, is it? And besides, most of the places people get these mail order wives from, are not exactly economically strong. If you know what I mean. Each to their own, I guess.

Fradim - BTW, it was you that I talked to when I first started the game wasn't it? I asked you about rudder pedals and you said you knew of a German company - you wouldn't happen to know its details would you?   Thx, mate.



[This message has been edited by Dowding (edited 09-27-2000).]

[Ryoken]

Yea you must be rich... at 29.95 this game is a ripoff...

[miko2d]

 I did not mean to offend you, Rooster, and I am definitely for the freedom of speech.
 I am just thinking that being a private corporation HTC is not a place to fight for it.
 Making a freedom of speech issue out of the decision of a private corporation is disservice to both the real FoS and PC issues and HTC. You have many valid point (actually all of them are valid). Do not profane them by dragging them where they do not belong.

 HTC makes the decision on what is appropriate and we can vote with our $30/month. I don't agree with many opinions (like the word "Jap" is just a short form of "Japanese" and does not have any derogatory connotation in English, why would some foreign speakers object to it's use?). At the same time I am willing to favor their requests - if not out of politeness, then out of common sence. I would rather play in the arena full of people and HTC awash in money, then in an arena with five guys talking trash and Hitech's children starving  
 I do my talking - offencive and otherwise, here or in the other places. I prefer that any public AH chanel were kept clear for AH-related communications, not frivolous two-sided conversations. Whatever is typed into channel one is directed towards everybody including myself. Even the free speech does not give you any right to force your speech on the people who are not willing to listen. As you can see, I participate in this discussion of yours here of my own free will.
 But if you say something unrelated to AH on channel 1 forcing me to forgo it's use, I consider it violation of my privacy, same as if you barge into my appartment uninvited.

Regards,
miko

[J_A_B]

"Shit. I've had enough of PC'ness. Be PC yourself, but don't force it on me. I'll make crude insensitive jokes and be an overall amazinhunk now and then. For the fun of it.

I'll go kill some whales, eat Flipper and shoot Bambi. Take the car around to the shop, and let the engine run while I'm inside. I'll refer to japanese as Japs, and eat red meat in front of vegans. I'll vote yes for nuclear power, and no to more taxes on gas. I'll crack jokes about gays and blondes. Will continue to buy beer instead of sending money to starving Africans. Also openly support legalisation of drugs comparable to alcohol, and publicly denounce any politician of my choice. I'll berate writers I don't like. And I will call an idiot an idiot, not a "mentally deprived person"."

--StStanta

I think he has the right idea.  That post is identical to how I feel--great post StSanta    

I think P.C. is for whiny little kids who want everything to be "their way"   A person with a fully developed level of maturity would simply use one of the two options he really has--  1.  Leave or 2.  Talk to whomever offended him.  

I am guessing about 95% of all problems that lead to calls for P.C. stem from misunderstandings.

Those people joking about where to buy a wife is FUNNY, just like vulching in the arena and chute shooting is FUNNY.   This isn't real life people--it's a game.  

Don't be so uptight about it!


Not everyone thinks identically.  P.C. tries to turn us into unthinking "robots" who all follow the same "standards".

Not me.

J_A_B

[Torque]

Ya we are really ripp'n off HTC heheh just don't tell them?????WB CC days eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeccckkkkk.... ..........!