Questions about a Piper Warrior

[mia389]

Was wondering if a guy could do a flip or a barrel roll in one, with out an incident lol. Would it leak fuel from the carb, or fuel vents while doing it. I know it does hammer heads pretty well but wanna have some more fun with the plane  Has anyone attempted it? or would that be stupid?

Smokey

[XNachoX]

Pretty stupid, I've been training in one for about 6 months and since the carburetor is a float type, pulling negative G's would cut the fuel to the engine and you'd be dead stick.  Same thing with the barrel roll I suppose.  Get an instructor to take you up in a Decathlon.  Mine did and I got to play with it, very fun plane and much more responsive than a warrior.

Edit: you'd need an inverted oil system too.

[mia389]

Thank you Nacho. That was kindof what I was thinking. A quick flip would be more practical I think but still get the chance of killing the engine. Roll rate is pretty ****ty Im not sure if the piper would do a barrel roll without losing lots of alt.

[john9001]

a good pilot can do a "barrel roll' (not a alerion roll) and hold positive 1G, but thats not the problen , the plane may not have the alerion authority to do a proper roll.

if you don't know the diff between a barrel and alerion roll,you should not be trying either.

[talliven]

you can barrol roll anything with enough altitude, even a 747.  doesnt mean you should, in fact if you barrel roll that warrior and an FAA guy happened to see you, you wouldn't be flying anything lagally for a while, since the plane is not rated for it.  its not even rated for intentional spins for that matter.  I agree that you should find someone with a decathalon or similar A/C, i instructed in one for a few years, not only do you get to have more fun, more importantly, you learn how to really use that rudder properly.

Talliven
CFII/MEI/ATP
Emb Pilot

[acepilot2]

I have been taking lessons in a piper warrior for a couple of months now, and uh...what nacho said.

[mars01]

Any positive G maneuver is ok from an engine standpoint.

I know a guy who barrel rolled a warrier, a travel air and 152, but since none of those planes are rated for those maneuvers you could get in deep crap with the FAA.  Plus this guy was an awsome stick, very smooth and alot of experiance.  

Problem is if you dont know what you are doing and screw the pooch these simple maneuvers can get very ugly.

Worst case scenarios...

1.  you go into a flat spin, albeit difficult to do.
2.  Overspeed the aircraft and bust something.
3.  Pull it off have a blast and do them all the time- thus getting caught by the FAA and lose you license hehehe.

[davidpt40]

I thought a barrel roll was one of the easiest maneuvers to do.  I bet the wright flyer could do one.

[mars01]

hehehe

A barrel roll is easy if you enter the roll with enough speed.

Say you dont have enough speed when you enter the roll so you get just high enough and hang the plane on the tail, now you start to tail slide while gravity pulls you back to earth...

Scenario1

Your nose falls through, but maybe you havn't pulled the power, your wings are stalled so you just fall to earth in a flat stall.


Scenario2

Your nose falls through and you are now pointing at the earth you dont pull your power and you get over speed and rip the wings off or bust your control surfaces.


Granted you would really have to fk things up good to get in this situation but things happen fast when they start to fall apart.


But yes a barrel roll is an easy maneuver, if you have done them befor. 8)

[N8DOG]

Dont know about a Barrel Roll but Ive done many a wing-over in the PA28. If you wanna do Aerobatic stuff go fet a RV or something like that. The PA28 is a great airplane but it isnt built for high G stuff and it doesnt have nearly enough control authority to do much. GO rent a C150 Aerobat, those are fun to fly too and you can rent them for under $50 an hour. but remember anything more than 30* of pitch is considered Aerobatic and you need a parachute to be legal.

[davidpt40]

Man the FAA really takes the fun out of everything.  I bet they won't even let you fly your airplane into a barn anymore.

[Golfer]

If you want to THINK about these maneuvers in a Warrior, after reading your dismal showing with love and your CFI, I'd say slap yourself.

Moving on...

152 Aerobat is a fun little airplane.  Be sure to have a harness although its not terribly important if you keep positive G's on the airplane but if you're new to the world beyond 60º of bank, then you'll want one.  A parachute also, though I've tried opening the doors on a 152 at cruise and its not the easiest task, I can only imagine spinning to the ground with one wing missing it would be even more fun.  Anywho...theres a real nice one about an hour and 25 minutes north of where I live that I rent if I need a little extra fun.  Strap on a parachute and take a friend for some loops and rolls and see how long it takes them to get queasy.

Piper Warrior/Cessna 172 are not the ideal aerobatic airplanes, though I've witnessed a loop in the latter.  Not only that they're not certified for it so its a mute point.

No sense killing yourself...you're still operating off a temporary certificate on which the ink isn't dry...so refrain from doing the dumb stuff for a while and get some training.  Think about doing some solo aerobatics when you're trained, equipped, and have 250 hours (Why, yes I'm a hypocrite I had more time upside down before I got my ticket than Mia has time in the sack with a woman.  Ok, bad example) and an airplane that is built for the stresses.  Invest $12,000-$15,000 in a single hole Pitts and get some dual in a two seater.  I'm pondering taking out another 'student loan' to do just that.  It directly reflects upon my flight experience...so why not

[Wolfala]

Man the FAA really takes the fun out of everything. I bet they won't even let you fly your airplane into a barn anymore.



Oh you can fly it into a barn any day of the week. Just make sure you don't kill anyone besides yrself and always notify the darwin awards prior to the show.

[mia389]

good stuff, might have to rent me a diff plane or go up with someone. No sence lossing my licsence right away:p

[baders]

Anyone who even contemplates barrel rolls in a PA28 should not have a licence.........period. The sooner you get caught the better, you obviously have no clue as to safe pilotage.

Stupid is as Stupid does.