Beating A very dead horse...AGAIN:)

[Red Tail 444]

Originally posted by Kweassa
The funny thing is, how everybody acts cool and says "oh, the Nikis ain't nuthin'. I bash 'em all the time" out here on the boards.. but in the MA, get pretty much pissed and furious about how some Niki dweeb can do nothig but HO, fly only dweeb planes and etc etc. - the usual CH1 clashes.
 

Off topic, but.....feel the need to share.

Yeah I got attacked outright on CH1 last night. I was in a A6m2 at 20k and some rook in a P47D-11 missed on the HO ad I slipped below him.

Long story short. I wind up killing him when he takes the fight to the deck and gets banged by me, and....countless others ...so he calls me an idiot for taking a zeke to 20k...of course, I apologized...in my own way.

Sorry for the rant, but your comment made me share

Respectfully,

[humble]

Originally posted by WhiteHawk
I lost a 262 the exact same way.  There is no possible way that niki could have  hung on its propeller for 1/10th the amount of time that it did.    I dont fly nikis, only because I am quite sure they are gioing to fix this blatant misrepresentation of the laws of physics, and I dont want the helicoptor to be my finishing move.

I'm amazed this thread is keeping on ticking...

I guess my question for those who can/do have the ability/understanding of the underlying physics is simple.

Did the Nikki have this exceptional ability to retain E in real life?

Again my original comment is specific to the Diving "zoom turn" that is so prevalent amonst nikki drivers...in all other planes that are known "zoomers" (P47,F4U,F6F,P-38 to name a few) this tactic simply results in a long zoom chase with the "zoomer" as likely to flounder and be roped as to catch it's "prey". With the nikki you get a very tight turn, much quicker overtake as well as an apparently much higher total E state.

[OIO]

Humble, the n1k did have a powerful 2k HP engine and was relatively light.. it wasnt considered a fast accelerator but it could reach high speeds after a short dive.

I think the more important question is: How does the n1k retain perfect control at very low speeds (50mph or less) when its got its engine on wep and the plane is zooming straight up? And I mean perfect control as in the pilot can, at any time at 50mph'ish just nose down and level and TURN hard. No tendency for the plane to pull to a side or any instability whatsoever in the whole manouver.

Its like if it had a counter-rotating prop of its own snuck somewhere in it.


I can understand it turning hard and retaining a lot of E.. spits do that too. I can understand it being a dangerous fighter to face... McGuire (or Bong i forget which of the 2) even wrote about the thing calling it 'dangerous' to face compared to the other IJ aircraft... i can understand it almost zooming up with a 109g10 or P38.... but this freak UFO control at near stall speeds is just too odd.

[humble]

OIO...

1st off I agree with you...but once you let the conversation "devolve" into questions of handling your getting back to the whole "porked FM" question. Obviously a significant percentage of the population (at least those who bother with the BBS) have decided to label any such questions as "another nikki whine". Truthfully I dont have enough understanding of the underlying physics to have a valid opinion...beyond the comment that if the nikki was as good as it appears...then the Ki-84 (a much better plane) would of swept the skies clear of the allies in the pac. The Ki was in wide service but will need to be a perkie on par with the tempest/spit14 here.

I'm simply trying to focus in on 1 specific point...the unmatched ability to pull a max G decending Turn and zoom with unmatched retention of energy...I see it all the time in the MA. It doesnt mean I disagree with what you posted...just that the UFO aspect of the nikki has been "discounted in the marketplace".

[Frogm4n]

Lag has a huge affect on this game. If you have a steady high ping you can pull off a lot more then you should. People have no idea your comming or if they do they cannot ever react in time.
There is nothing more frustrating then getting killed by some dweeb from brazil or japan with a 14.4 connection, and having to wait 40 seconds to hear the pings that killed you.