Author Topic: FesterMA is Fester FURBALL (Read 8669 times)

artik · « **on:** November 15, 2003, 04:21:11 AM »

I'd like to put some negative notes about FesterMA.

The base are close you do not need spend a lot of time to find action but... all action is compressed between the friendly and enemy fields - and what heppens - instead of separate fights of 3-6 planes we get one continious big fight between friendly and enemy bases - a huge FURBALL.

This furball continious at all alt from 0k to 15-20k - through all the front between countries in width of 10-15 miles (the distance between bases).

And that is most of gameplay feachers at FesterMA

It is good for all players that like enter furball kill 1-2 planes and die, the players who not care to survive. But it is not good for old players that want to have a fun but like to return to their bases, maybe disangage from 5-6 planes that try to catch you, or players who use winging tactics - FesterMA leaves no option for tactical engage.
It is good for all turnfighters - but furballing is abolutly disaster for all energy fighters like P-51D, Bf109G-10 or Fw190D-9. Because the main goal of this planes is energy and when the fight continue from 0 to 20k it is not easy to get an advatage.
Buff pilots have to get to extreemy high alt to bomb otherwise they enter big furball and die in few minutes
Dive bombers and strike planes - have almost no chance to get to the target without being engaged by other plane - and dropping their ord.
Instead of normal gameplay at MA with tactcal feachers - separate flight, bomb runs and.... furballs too - it is redused to furball only - and time to time separet fights.

Is FesterMA so good?

Looks like first positive replayes we get from dweeb players that what furballs only.

Your opinion?

Rutilant · « **Reply #1 on:** November 15, 2003, 05:13:20 AM »

The almighty furballers (ppl with ADD) will be around any moment to tell you that limiting gameplay is okay as long as it's not thiers that's being limited.

That's about the only content in thier posts. ever.

moot · « **Reply #2 on:** November 15, 2003, 05:26:11 AM »

dunno what you mean about not being able to carry out textbook jabo runs, or being able to leave the furball safely, or any of the rest.

"but furballing is abolutly disaster for all energy fighters like P-51D, Bf109G-10 or Fw190D-9" : completely opposite to my impression.

blunt opinion is you probably aren't very good at any of what you mention and need to practice. It's not the map's fault, and what's wrong with 300 players having fun by the only map that does what this one does?

artik · « **Reply #3 on:** November 15, 2003, 06:00:56 AM »

Yes this fast planes can exit fight but... if furball continious from 20k to the dack - it is not their enviormant. You can sucsess but....

Yes you can enter furball make 1-2 kills and exit - slash tactics but when furbalis very wide it is problem.....

The main problem of FesterMA that is furballing only - and does not gives other types of gameplay. Someone has fun but others....

Citabria · « **Reply #4 on:** November 15, 2003, 07:31:22 AM »

artik has

13 Kills
13 Deaths
Model type Kills In Kills Of
A-20G 0 0
A6M2 0 0
A6M5b 0 0
Ar 234 0 0
B-17G 0 0
B-26B 0 0
B5N2 0 0
Bf 109E-4 0 0
Bf 109F-4 0 0
Bf 109G-10 5 0
Bf 109G-2 0 1
Bf 109G-6 0 0
Bf 110C-4b 0 1
Bf 110G-2 0 0
Boston III 0 0
C-47A 0 0
C.202 0 0
C.205 0 0
Chute 0 0
D3A1 0 0
F4F-4 0 0
F4U-1 0 0
F4U-1C 0 0
F4U-1D 0 0
F4U-4 0 0
F6F-5 0 1
FM2 0 0
Fw 190A-5 0 0
Fw 190A-8 0 0
Fw 190D-9 0 0
Fw 190F-8 0 0
Gunner 0 0
Hurricane IIC 0 0
Hurricane IID 0 0
Hurricane Mk I 0 0
Il-2 4 0
Ju 87D-3 0 0
Ju 88 0 3
Ki-61 0 0
Ki-67 0 0
La-5FN 0 0
La-7 2 0
Lancaster III 0 0
LVTA2 0 0
LVTA4 0 0
M-16 0 0
M-3 0 1
M-8 0 0
Me 163B 0 0
Me 262 0 0
Mosquito Mk VI 1 1
N1K2 0 0
Ostwind 0 2
P-38L 0 0
P-40B 0 0
P-40E 0 0
P-47-D25 0 0
P-47-D30 0 0
P-47D-11 0 0
P-51B 0 0
P-51D 0 0
Panzer IV H 0 1
PT Boat 0 1
SBD-5 0 0
SeaFire 0 0
Ship Gunner 1 0
Spitfire Mk I 0 0
Spitfire Mk IX 0 1
Spitfire Mk XIV 0 0
Spitfire V 0 0
Ta 152H 0 0
TBM-3 0 0
Tempest 0 0
Tiger I 0 0
Typhoon IB 0 0
Yak-9T 0 0
Yak-9U 0 0

Model type Killed By Died In
A-20G 0 0
A6M2 0 0
A6M5b 0 0
Ar 234 0 0
B-17G 0 0
B-26B 2 0
B5N2 0 0
Bf 109E-4 0 0
Bf 109F-4 0 0
Bf 109G-10 0 4
Bf 109G-2 0 0
Bf 109G-6 0 0
Bf 110C-4b 0 0
Bf 110G-2 0 0
Boston III 0 0
C-47A 0 0
C.202 0 0
C.205 0 0
Chute 0 0
D3A1 0 0
F4F-4 0 0
F4U-1 0 0
F4U-1C 0 0
F4U-1D 0 2
F4U-4 0 0
F6F-5 0 0
FM2 0 0
Fw 190A-5 0 0
Fw 190A-8 1 0
Fw 190D-9 1 0
Fw 190F-8 0 0
Gunner 0 0
Hurricane IIC 0 0
Hurricane IID 0 0
Hurricane Mk I 0 0
Il-2 0 2
Ju 87D-3 0 0
Ju 88 0 0
Ki-61 0 0
Ki-67 0 0
La-5FN 0 0
La-7 1 0
Lancaster III 0 0
LVTA2 0 0
LVTA4 0 0
M-16 0 0
M-3 0 0
M-8 0 0
Me 163B 0 0
Me 262 0 0
Mosquito Mk VI 0 2
N1K2 0 0
Ostwind 2 0
P-38L 0 1
P-40B 0 0
P-40E 0 0
P-47-D25 0 0
P-47-D30 0 0
P-47D-11 0 0
P-51B 1 0
P-51D 0 1
Panzer IV H 1 0
PT Boat 0 1
SBD-5 0 0
SeaFire 0 0
Ship Gunner 1 0
Spitfire Mk I 0 0
Spitfire Mk IX 3 0
Spitfire Mk XIV 0 0
Spitfire V 0 0
Ta 152H 0 0
TBM-3 0 0
Tempest 0 0
Tiger I 0 0
Typhoon IB 0 0
Yak-9T 0 0
Yak-9U 0 0

artik has not played in bombers or gvs or jabos

in fact artik didnt fly bombers or gvs much last tour or the tour before that.

artik flies the 109g10... poorly.

Kweassa · « **Reply #5 on:** November 15, 2003, 07:39:07 AM »

FesterMA is a fun map.

But it does get old, real quick. I like flying various missions in various plane types with my squaddies, responding to various situations happening in MA.

But I think it's a good map. Not my favorite, not very favorable personally, but since other people who hate the maps which I like, endures it without making people like me miserable, I'll endure FesMA with good heart, in turn - unlike some guys who come to the boards and starts crying the moment there's a map they don't like running in MA.

artik · « **Reply #6 on:** November 15, 2003, 07:48:57 AM »

first you get statistics about last few days - and take a look I do not fly 109g10 only - even I like it very much:
kills in:
Bf 109G-10 5
Il-2 4
La-7 2
Ship Gunner 1
Mosquito Mk VI 1

as you can see 4 Il-2

anyway - I like do some strikes or bomb runs in Ardo - BTW take a look I get kill in ardo last tour

Yes I mostly fighter pilot, strike pilot a little and fly not much in bombers - but like to take them to HQ.

But I do not like furballs only - and that is what your terrain brings

and now look this:

Last tour at CT:

killed in the last setup
P-40E 12 0
pervious setup - didn't fy too much.
Spitfire Mk XIV 1 0

died in
P-40E 0 5

So..... I'm not the best pilot - I must tell. But I like to fly and fight not to furball.

You like the map you build - I do not like it.

So lets not take personal information about each other. It is not a secrat that I'm not good pilot. But still sitting in my 109G10 and like to fight - not to make furballs

Swoop · « **Reply #7 on:** November 15, 2003, 08:06:05 AM »

Artik,

try fighting in a different part of the map.

See, the reason you get massive furballs in the middle bit is due to, as you say, fields being very close together and because whoever owns A21 (the hub field in the middle) has a 10k alt advantage on everyone else. A21 is usually on the edge of two fronts so whichever side owns it will be seen coming in at 20k, opposing sides respond and pretty soon it developes into a 0-20k furball.

So?

Take A74 last night, MASSIVE furball going on as you say. Cav and I went over there to lend a hand and came out to land again (in P51Ds with 14 kills between us). The bish field 10 miles south had a single GV attacking it, no furball at all just me in a HogC and a newb in an osty and the single knight who kept flying over to try and pork the fuel

. I had fun.

The fields on the edges of the terrain can also hardly be called furball fields, they're all in a straight line almost, no fields on the edges to outflank with. If you wanna do something other than cherrypick the massive furballs then try flying somewhere else.

The only complaint about Festerma I have is that HTC havn't put the latest revision up in the MA yet and we're still fighting on an old one. Oh and Cit, for Xmas can you make a white terrain set and rename the map Festermas?

DadRabit · « **Reply #8 on:** November 15, 2003, 08:51:27 AM »

S! all
I think fester's map is a good map. The map has more bases to chose from than say... Mindanowww. these hugh maps are my favorites, trinity, pizza, fester etc... me personally i dont like flying into a hugh furball and i try to avoid them. festers map is big enough to shop around and pick your fights which i find hard to do on the smaller maps.

Also i think one reson for the furball in the middle is because whenever i log on to the game its at a base at the middle and i think that lots just go ahead and up there and start fighting. no biggie. anyway if you dont want furballs, just fly to a base no ones at. someone will come and greet you i'm sure.

just my 2 cents

S!

David (Daddy Rabit) Jester
Tactical Officer
99TH ASTAG
Swift to Avenge

sax · « **Reply #9 on:** November 15, 2003, 09:45:19 AM »

Quote

Originally posted by Rutilant
The almighty furballers (ppl with ADD) will be around any moment to tell you that limiting gameplay is okay as long as it's not thiers that's being limited.

That's about the only content in thier posts. ever.

Actually in the last month the board has been very quiet regarding maps.
The furballers have been reasonably happy with the current rotation<>.
As usuall Rut yur blowing smoke just to see if anyone will pay attention to yu

artik · « **Reply #10 on:** November 15, 2003, 10:03:23 AM »

Swoop thank you for suggestion.. maybe you right.
I'll check this out...

Anyway this week I fly mostly at CT. Excelent setup

P40E, Hurri1 vs 109E and 202

I enjoy it more...

Hornet · « **Reply #11 on:** November 15, 2003, 10:59:44 AM »

Artik...I fail to see the problem for those seeking the energy fight. Those massive furballs provide a chaotic environment. SA overload, not E advantage should be your weapon on Fester.

Good map.

artik · « **Reply #12 on:** November 15, 2003, 11:03:05 AM »

Quote

Originally posted by Hornet
Artik...I fail to see the problem for those seeking the energy fight. Those massive furballs provide a chaotic environment. SA overload, not E advantage should be your weapon on Fester.

Good map.

Yes your E is advantage but when you start working no your target you loose it in in big furball it is not hard to find enemies that you do not see in the begining and after few minutes you see the with higher E.

Heretik · « **Reply #13 on:** November 15, 2003, 11:35:55 AM »

When did the big furball start? guess I missed it. Actually I only flew for about 45 minutes yesterday, helping to take bases. We captured 5-6 bases in quick succession and it was a lot of fun.

I do agree that Festerma provides all the ingredients for some massive furballing, but you really don't have to if you don't want.

Personally, after suffering through 2 rotations of the hell that is BigIsles, I NEED some fast action and cheap thrills:aok

Rutilant · « **Reply #14 on:** November 15, 2003, 11:41:53 AM »

Quote

Originally posted by sax
Actually in the last month the board has been very quiet regarding maps.
The furballers have been reasonably happy with the current rotation<>.
As usuall Rut yur blowing smoke just to see if anyone will pay attention to yu

Me? Blowing smoke?

You say that like the Elite Furballer Corps wouldn't do exactly what i said they would.