Author Topic: reccomended book by the greatest pilot of WW2 (Read 2455 times)

vorticon · « **Reply #30 on:** November 17, 2003, 10:34:14 PM »

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I'm sure some of these Luftwaffe pilots were honorable men. But the bottom line is this; their reputation is tarnished by the fact that they defended, quite often with few objections, and evil, murderous regime. Nothing positive is accomplished by heaping and inordinate amount of praise on them.

from there point of veiw it wasnt evil...just a matter of perspective...as for chute shooting...well if your over deep enemy territory then its justified...if your over freindly or soon to be friendly...well its pretty stupid since there likely to get picked up by freindly troops...

sw...the primary role of the stuka was to bomb tanks and such...

AKS\/\/ulfe · « **Reply #31 on:** November 17, 2003, 10:36:07 PM »

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Originally posted by vorticon
sw...the primary role of the stuka was to bomb tanks and such...

The primary role of a fighter plane is to shoot down the enemy, and kill the pilot.
-SW

ramzey · « **Reply #32 on:** November 17, 2003, 11:06:26 PM »

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Originally posted by vorticon
sw...the primary role of the stuka was to bomb tanks and such...

and? ;-)

udet · « **Reply #33 on:** November 17, 2003, 11:08:29 PM »

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Originally posted by ramzey
rudel was nazi and he was proud of that
he had privilaes and look at enemy without respect, like on animals

is he write about strafing civilians on the road when they escaping?
How proud he was bombing civilians in warsaw?

are you so blinde to not notice , every his word have nazi propaganda background?

when he publice his book, many RAF combatants was angry
but cant do nothing against this knight in black armour.

He was good pilot? fine
he was scum, thats sure
ramzey

lol you believed what I wrote about him bombing Warsaw? that was supposed to be ironical. Never in his book does he mention something like this, yet you Ramzey believed it, based on the general opinion about the guy.
Of course all you sheltered ignorants fail to understand that his fight against the communism was entirely justified, and, as I said before, history proved him right, with half of Europe under tyrrany for 50 years under the same guys you Americans abetted against Germany and her allies.

Shuckins · « **Reply #34 on:** November 17, 2003, 11:23:18 PM »

He who fights and runs away, may live to fight another day.

So kill the sucker while you got the chance.

Say, I wonder if it's unsporting to shoot an enemy soldier if his gun is jammed?

By the way Vort, the evil of Hitler's regime was NOT just a matter of perspective. It was responsible for the deaths of 20 million Russians, 6 million Jews, and only God know how many others. Fliers like Rudel, who flew for years on the Russian front, HAD to know about the massacres that the SS units were committing. If Rudel is indeed an unrepentant Nazi, then he is unworthy of your respect, no matter how spectacular his war record may have been.

If you want a real war hero to admire, try Alvin York or Audey Murphy. They were on the side of the angels.

Shuckins

Gadfly · « **Reply #35 on:** November 17, 2003, 11:24:50 PM »

Yeah, and they killed every Nazi mother****er they could.

straffo · « **Reply #36 on:** November 18, 2003, 02:18:48 AM »

oops ... morning coffee less post.
please proceed to next post.

BGBMAW · « **Reply #37 on:** November 18, 2003, 04:25:27 AM »

bahh udet

1) rudel..nazi mofo...defntly deserved slow deth..
no way in hell he didnt knwo about the nazis and ss raping/murdering all in there path...

same with the rest..even the most honorable nazis( Galland-Dornitz)..if there is a such a thing..

um..55milion people died in ww2,,,,,,,,Germany caused this sht..

2) ya.great book..unbeleivebl he survived..

greatest pilto in ww2??!!! bulsheiite..

Kadesh · « **Reply #38 on:** November 18, 2003, 05:15:36 AM »

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Originally posted by Shuckins
But the bottom line is this; their reputation is tarnished by the fact that they defended, quite often with few objections, and evil, murderous regime. Nothing positive is accomplished by heaping and inordinate amount of praise on them.

Shuckins

Careful........ if that's the criteria you wish to use then the same argument could be used against any current US serviceman.

Crowwe · « **Reply #39 on:** November 18, 2003, 07:05:11 AM »

Hate to say this, but alot of the pilots we 'idolize' were either complete failures in life or outright scum. There is nothing wrong with respecting some of their actions so long as we can also recognize and continue to fail to embrace their faults or complete lack of humanity.

Pooh21 · « **Reply #40 on:** November 18, 2003, 08:25:53 AM »

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Originally posted by Kadesh
Careful........ if that's the criteria you wish to use then the same argument could be used against any current US serviceman.

crack on sale this week?

Rudel was an arse. Though what he did with a stuka was cool.

bikekil · « **Reply #41 on:** November 18, 2003, 09:37:17 AM »

He was an effective pilot... i'm sure he have a good number of stories that he could share and that are worth reading.
Without reading the book i can't say it's worth/not worth reading.

Calling this guy a hero may be not that fortunate. I woldn't call him "hero" IF he was strafing cililians... following orders is another story...
Don't get me wrong, i'm not familiar with his history and actions.
If you call him nazi (maybe that's true) you should call the same most (probably not all) LW pilots that took his part into WW2.

All of them were serving a bad case, prolly for different reasons each.

History is pretty strange folks.
One of my grandpas were fighting with Germans, then was captured and prisoned (he was building and maintaining a Cracow LW airfiled). Other one was fighting with Soviets at 17.09.39 and got captured by them. After a year he was traded by Germans for some russian POW's and got transfered to Germany... to some village. He said he mat a lot of good men there and it waqsn't a bad time for him.
Then a father of my uncle (who was a Pole... silesian to be exact) got forced to serve in a Wermach in 39 and was fighting with Poles, then with Soviets... he had no other choice he said... and i believe him... After the war he spent most of his life in Poland but in the early 90's he moved to Germany and till now he's living there pretty good for the money he is getting every month as a kind of retirement found for his fighting in Wermacht!

History is really strange

AKS\/\/ulfe · « **Reply #42 on:** November 18, 2003, 10:54:05 AM »

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Originally posted by udet
Of course all you sheltered ignorants fail to understand that his fight against the communism was entirely justified, and, as I said before, history proved him right, with half of Europe under tyrrany for 50 years under the same guys you Americans abetted against Germany and her allies.

That is hands down the most retarded statement ever.

Who invaded who again?

Communism may have been bad, but in the fight between Nazism and Communism - its the lesser of two evils.
-SW

Crowwe · « **Reply #43 on:** November 18, 2003, 12:44:13 PM »

I always wondered what would have happened if the war continued in 1945, with Germany fighting for the Allies against Communism.

I'd imagine that the supply lines would be stretched so thin it would be be a quagmire, intermingled with Atom bombs on strategic Russian targets.

Whole thought is depressing, but interesting.

Dead Man Flying · « **Reply #44 on:** November 18, 2003, 01:02:07 PM »

LOL!

Udet, stop while you're ahead. Or better yet, don't stop. I'm kind of enjoying you demonstrating your uninformed, immature, and ill-reasoned "understanding" of history.

-- Todd/Leviathn