Author Topic: British Anti-War Hippies....No Show? (Read 4367 times)

lord dolf vader · « **Reply #30 on:** November 19, 2003, 11:36:32 AM »

you just argued down the right of a man to stand on a public street with a sign.

DmdNexus · « **Reply #31 on:** November 19, 2003, 11:40:00 AM »

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Originally posted by Dago
And you are still a tard.

You're still a deluded retard and a Republican tuwrd eater....

Not only to do you lack knowledge of the law... your attempts to nitpick at the facts are pathetic.

"miles" is an exageration... I think any moron reading that would know that it was for emphasis and not to be taken literally.... well ok you're the moron who makes the exception.

Several of the cases I sited have gone to court and in each the Judge agreed with the Protestor... the Secret Service can not segregate Bush supporters, Anti-Bush protestors, and people who just don't express any opinion.

Here's an example for you, though I doubt your simple mind would understand the implications of this... nevertheless... I still have hope something will get through:

A man arrested during President Bush's recent visit to Pittsburgh got his protest sign back, and a justice who dismissed the charges against him also gave police a scolding over the incident.

District Justice Shirley Rowe Trkula dismissed a disorderly conduct charge against Bill Neel, 65, of Butler, Pa., and told Allegheny County police that they "went a little too far" in trying to curb protests, the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette reported on its Web site yesterday.

Police testified that Neel was arrested after refusing to enter a fenced area, designated as a free-speech area, during Bush's Labor Day visit to Neville Island, 10 miles northwest of Pittsburgh.

County police detective Thomas Ianachione testified that Neel was polite and never used foul language.

Trkula said Neel had a right to express his views and returned his sign, which said, "The Bush family must surely love the poor — they've made so many of them."

Neel, who was defended by the American Civil Liberties Union, said the ruling was a victory for the Constitution.

"Sure, the president should be safe. But I don't think arrests like this help," he said.

http://www.freedomforum.org/templates/document.asp?documentID=17197

Here's a judge requesting information from the Secret Service:
I guess, in your opinion this federal judge is a TARD also.

http://www.duluthsuperior.com/mld/observer/news/local/states/south_carolina/counties/york/6644819.htm

Dago · « **Reply #32 on:** November 19, 2003, 12:18:03 PM »

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District Justice Shirley Rowe Trkula

Woman shouldnt be judges.

ACLU - bunch of commies.

Seriously, I agree that goons like the Secret Service can easily get carried away and go to far. Just about every cop carrying a badge and a gun let it go to their head and think they are GOD.

I am a firm believer in the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, and I believe in protecting those rights including the right of protest. BUT, I do also believe as I eluded that way too many of the "Protestors" are just stirring the pot, and do so in a way that prevents those citizens who want to hear the President, or others talk. Nobodys right to protest should override the Presidents right to give an address to an assembly of people who want to hear it.

To ban protests, to arrest those of differant views smacks of exactly the type of government we say we are opposed to. To deny civil liberties is unacceptable. But, being held to a high standard, to demand respect and consideration works both ways.

As you illustrated, many of the actions taken by the Secret Service were not appropriate or even legal, and our court system has rule so. I guess in the long run, the system works. People dont like what the President is doing, write letters to the newspapers or Congresmen, or the White House itself, let them run for office or work for a candidate they agree with. I think they should just stop short of attempting to disrupt an appearance by the President. I can pretty much guarantee that a much larger number of people will be gathered at any place the President is going to give a speech or make an appearance who want to see and hear him than those who want to protest. I just dont agree that the protestors have the right to ruin the appearance for so many..

There are proper forums and proper ways to go about things, that aint one of them.

unconventional believers in communism

dago

DmdNexus · « **Reply #33 on:** November 19, 2003, 01:06:18 PM »

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Originally posted by Dago
Woman shouldnt be judges.
dago

LOL

Commies?

These people weren't disrupting Bush's speech....
Many of them were quietly holding signs which had their message on it.....

Pro bush supports are allowed to Cheer..

Why aren't anti-Bush protestors allowed to boo?

Bush has a PA system... the protestors all they have are their voices.

That is American liberty. If Bush has the right to speek and have his support clap and cheer at a public location... then protestors are allowed to show up and boo.

Any illegal activity... such as throwing objects, assault, etc... of course is not legal free speach but criminal.

Lafayette park is right behind the White House and is in view of the Oval office's window, Nixon was sitting there one day stewing over the war protesters that were sitting in the park and holding up their anti-war signs. This irritated him to no end, until he finally asked the Secret Service to go out there and get those people's names and see if any of them are wanted for any crimes and to arrest them.

Fortunately, the SS did not comply with this direct order from their commander and chief, because they knew that would be illegal.

The people have the right to protest and have their protests seen by the media and their elected officials.

Dago · « **Reply #34 on:** November 19, 2003, 01:30:05 PM »

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The people have the right to protest and have their protests seen by the media and their elected officials.

Ahhh, most of them are drug addled, unwashed filthy stinking hippies. Send em all to a country just east of England, they will fit in there.

They have a right to protest, within the limits of the law I suppose. I will only agree if they protest about something I dont like of course. Let them protest about affirmitive action, about women demanding equal rights (as if), about the unfair rulings courts have used to destroy men in divorce and child custody cases and I am right there with them.

Unconventional thinking hippies, they should be hosed down by firetrucks that have soapy water in their tanks.

dago

Gixer · « **Reply #35 on:** November 19, 2003, 02:20:08 PM »

The main protest is planned for Thursday. Though Bush will either be out of town that day or hunkering down somewhere surrounded by his massive security force.

...-Gixer
~Hells Angels~

Saurdaukar · « **Reply #36 on:** November 19, 2003, 02:22:55 PM »

Watched the speach this morning - not a bad one. Im a Bush supporter and even I cringe when he speaks in public.

In any event - they had a few 'Goth' looking Brits on CNN waving some signs and some dolt had put red food coloring in on of the fountains of Trafalgar Square - but thats it as far as I could see.

Tumor · « **Reply #37 on:** November 19, 2003, 02:35:10 PM »

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Originally posted by Dowding
Perhaps the 5 million quid of tax payers money being spent on the security has had some effect.

I find it laughable that of all the presidents, all the great men that have resided in the White House since the last State Visit in 1918 (Woodrow Wilson), they chose a worthless dolt like George W Bush to be recipient of that honour and stay inside the palace. What happened to Roosevelt's invite for instance?

What a shrecking disgrace. As a Briton, I'm ashamed of the fact he receives that prestigious honour over so many more worthy men. The monarchy is guilty of 80 years of serial stupidity and this is proof positive of that fact.

But then again, this is probably cynical political expediency at work.

Suck on it Dowdink ;D

Tumor · « **Reply #38 on:** November 19, 2003, 02:46:51 PM »

Nexus

Every time you hit reply in this forum... you become a bigger, louder, ridikulus, trolling, definition of a tardling doofus.

Speak to the hand Sir Dorksalot.

DmdNexus · « **Reply #39 on:** November 19, 2003, 03:00:19 PM »

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Originally posted by Tumor
Nexus

Every time you hit reply in this forum... you become a bigger, louder, ridikulus, trolling, definition of a tardling doofus.

Speak to the hand Sir Dorksalot.

If my words irritate the likes of you... I take great pleasure in that.

Because... I guess.. you're "Tardiness" speaks for it's self with your illegible spew...

You speak like a little kid: "doofus", "Tardling"... "Dorksalot"

Did you learn these in the sandbox while you were playing with your own turds?

I suppose, I should be insulted by these words coming from a mentally retarded chimpanze like your self who cann't even spell the insults he's typing.

Strangly... I'm not.

You don't even have a comment to make about the subject matter... which is reflection of your lack of intelligence.

Back to school with you little girl.

learn some new words.

DmdNexus · « **Reply #40 on:** November 19, 2003, 03:01:30 PM »

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Originally posted by Tumor
Suck on it Dowdink ;D

You're on a roll tonight...

Skuzzy · « **Reply #41 on:** November 19, 2003, 03:02:17 PM »

Nexus, Tumor, Dago, you have 24 hours to clean up the posts in this thread. Personal attacks, abusive language and major attempts to circumvent the language filter will not be tolerated.

DmdNexus · « **Reply #42 on:** November 19, 2003, 03:05:07 PM »

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Originally posted by Skuzzy
Nexus, Tumor, you have 24 hours to clean up the posts in this thread. Personal attacks, abusive language and major attempts to circumvent the laguage filter will not be tolerated.

works for me... I'm not the one that starts the ad hominen attacks.

kappa · « **Reply #43 on:** November 19, 2003, 03:23:50 PM »

Dago wrote:
Ahhh, most of them are drug addled, unwashed filthy stinking hippies. Send em all to France, they will fit in there.

Jus like that Rush Limbought dude...... damn druggies.........

k
AoM

Tumor · « **Reply #44 on:** November 19, 2003, 03:41:41 PM »

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Originally posted by Skuzzy
Nexus, Tumor, Dago, you have 24 hours to clean up the posts in this thread. Personal attacks, abusive language and major attempts to circumvent the language filter will not be tolerated.

I'm SOOOOOOORRRRRY Nex.

Statement to Dowding stands. Ban me if you will but I take offense to personal attacks on my President from non-citizens.