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« Reply #15 on: November 20, 2003, 09:59:43 AM »
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Exactly... what if two separate people happened to pick the exact same place and time to shoot the president but didn't conspire with each other? It's not probable, but it's possible.


And both decided to kill him in Dealy Plaza?

And both fired their weapons within the same 4 second time frame?

Please don't take this the wrong way, Sandy, but I would consider the odds of this astronomical.

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« Reply #16 on: November 20, 2003, 10:02:57 AM »
There were only four other documented places a second gunman could have hidden.

1.Storm drain on Elm Street- This theory was proven to be false after a re-enactment was done. From the drain, there was no way a person in there would be able to see the President, much less have a clean shot.

2. North end of the bridge the limo was to pass under- This theory was disproven because arieal shots of Dealy Plaza moments after the shots were fired showed the area empty, with no access to storm drains or areas of concealment.

3. South end of the same bridge- This theory was proven false due to the presence of railroad workers in the area, none of which saw anyone suspicious, as they all knew each other.

4. The grassy knoll- This theroy, while valid, is still a long shot. The area the shooter was said to be in did not offer a clean shot at the motorcade, as the line of sight to Elm Street was blocked my numerous trees and people. The only window of oppertunity to fire at the president was only about a second long, and the place where the fatal shot struck the president did not support the grassy knoll theory.

It was proven the Carcano rifle Oswald used, while an inferior weapon, would be capible of a fatal shot. Though the rifle had a 23% chance of misfiring, Oswald would have been able to fire three rounds in under 8 seconds.

There also would have been plenty of time for Oswald to dismount, hide the rifle, and decend to the second floor cafeteria before the police entered the building.

Oswald was fingered for shooting Kennedy after he was arrested for the murder of a police officer. The rifle found at the Depository was Oswald's, therefore he was charged with the murder of the president.

The only thing unexplained was Ruby. He said he shot Oswald out of anger for the president, and for Jackie. Had it been a conspirecy, he most likely would have not rotted in jail. His credentials were all in order and nothing identified him with the Mafia or the White House.

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« Reply #17 on: November 20, 2003, 10:03:24 AM »
ine of my fav topics...


yes the storm grate theroy has ALOT more merit than has been shown in the mainstream media. of all the things i have researched this is the most logical.

the echo from the shot in the storm grate would confuse many of the witnesses because it would not be a "line of sight" noise. the escape would be as easy as walking down the street. the never even bothered to check OR clear them back then (unlike now hmmmmmm).

personally i believe there was a shooter and spotter on the knoll, a shooter and spoter in the bood depository, and a shooter and a spotter in the storm grate.


to quote a movie on the topic "not even the shooters know who killed kennedy"

oh well i digress...
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« Reply #18 on: November 20, 2003, 10:06:18 AM »
The storm drain offered no credible shot to the limo. The fatal  shot occured outside of the LOS of the drain.

The shot that killed Kennedy exited out of the right temple, not the face. Kennedy's skull showed signs of this. Blood and brains and skill fragments sprayed everywhere, including backwards. Pieces of skull on the trunklid were exaplined by forward vehicle motion.
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« Reply #19 on: November 20, 2003, 10:09:43 AM »
Also, wouldn't it be odd to see someone clambering out of a storm drain? Plus, the people on the knoll blocked a shot and testified they never heard a shot fired from behind them...

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« Reply #20 on: November 20, 2003, 10:16:19 AM »
http://www.celebritymorgue.com/jfk/jfk-autopsy.html

Face seems fine.  Top of head is blown apart though.

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« Reply #21 on: November 20, 2003, 10:16:34 AM »
A couple of points here, Texace.

I think the access in and out of the storm drain could be accomplished by exited a few blocks away via the sewer.

Also, if the exit wound was in front of the president's head, do the autopsy photos show this?

I'm working from memory here but I thought the autopsy showed the back of the head blasted out.

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« Reply #22 on: November 20, 2003, 10:18:55 AM »
Thanks, David.

Look at Photo 1.

Where the hell is the entry wound?

That almost looks like the kill shot came from the left side from a low angle.

If the kill shot camed from 60' above the president and behind him, would'nt the exit wound be somewhere around his nose/mouth?

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« Reply #23 on: November 20, 2003, 10:19:57 AM »
I can only go on what I've read and seen. Obviously, the autopsy photos disprove the Oswald alone theory, but from all the cameras on the president, and all the bystanders that were not "in on it", how did a second gunman go unnoticed? The only shots reported heard were from Oswald's rifle in the Depository building.

:confused: I hate debating conspericy theories. ;)

Edit: The exit wound would not be through the face due to the angle of the shot Oswald was taking. He was not shooting from directly behind. His shots would be going over the president's right shoulder.

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« Reply #24 on: November 20, 2003, 10:20:58 AM »
That site also shows the entry wounds on an autopsy diagram.  There was an entry wound in his neck, but that is obscured by the trachiotomy.

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« Reply #25 on: November 20, 2003, 10:27:36 AM »
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I've seen most of these 'Who Dunnit' shows before, but last night they aired a documentary I'd never seen...looked new.  The two things that caught my mind were...
 



Was this the one on Discovery Channel last night or the one on History Channel?  I taped the Discovery Channel specials (two of'em, back to back) but haven't had a chance to watch them.  History Channel will be re-playing the one they showed last night.  HC is doing a marathon of JFK stuff this weekend as part of the anniversary.

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« Reply #26 on: November 20, 2003, 10:28:58 AM »
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Are you sure he was a sniper, and not a ninja?

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When I watch my tapes, I'll look for a ninja, but I suspect that all I'll see is a blur unless he's standing next to a woman.

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« Reply #27 on: November 20, 2003, 10:57:01 AM »
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4 shots means a second shooter... okay... put a second shooter doesn't prove conspiracy. It makes conspiracy probable.


Only if the two acted independently of each other. That is to say they both had the same idea of shooting the President on the dame day at he same location at the same time:rolleyes:

 To conspire : plot, work together, scheme.

And what about the pristine bullet from the same gun as Oswald’s that showed up on the gurney at the autopsy. For that to get their requires a second party to know a about the gun and were to find a bullet to match. Thus CONSPIRECY.
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« Reply #28 on: November 20, 2003, 11:04:38 AM »
Martin Luther Kings killing is just a screwed up and just as suspicios.

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« Reply #29 on: November 20, 2003, 11:09:21 AM »
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Martin Luther Kings killing is just a screwed up and just as suspicios.


Hey, Start your own thread!!!;)