Author Topic: Clipboard AWACS and IFF (Read 849 times)

funkedup · « **on:** December 05, 2001, 02:44:00 PM »

In WWII there are countless stories of pilots seeing specks off in the distance, and being unsure over whether they were friendly or enemy aircraft. They had to get close enough to visually ID the enemy to know for sure.

But in AH, if you see a speck on the horizon, you can hit Esc and know within 5 seconds whether it is friendly or enemy. If there is a green dot on radar, it is friendly. If there is a red dot or no dot it is enemy. No visual ID needed.

Just another example of how AWACS makes AH more like modern day air combat than WWII air combat.

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Suave1 · « **Reply #1 on:** December 05, 2001, 02:57:00 PM »

NO YOU DIDN'T !!

K West · « **Reply #2 on:** December 05, 2001, 03:19:00 PM »

"ou can hit Esc and know within 5 seconds"

You're lying!!!!!

It takes less than 5 seconds.

Westy

popeye · « **Reply #3 on:** December 05, 2001, 03:29:00 PM »

Chasing friendly dots all over the map to ID them is....a GOOD thing?

funkedup · « **Reply #4 on:** December 05, 2001, 03:32:00 PM »

Sorry Westy, you're right. It was a conservative estimate.

And I do realize that some night fighters in WWII had IFF capability. But there are no night fighters in AH. So this is a moot point.

And I realize that IFF transponders were used with ground radar as early as 1940. However:

- IFF wasn't used everywhere at all times.

- It wasn't always available to both sides in a fight.

- The person who could tell friend from foe was looking at a radar screen far away. And it wasn't usually the radar operator talking to the pilot. The information was relayed to the pilot. And not to every pilot, generally just leaders of formations. So the information was not available to every pilot within a few seconds.

- The information was not available on a high resolution graphic display with every aircraft shown, updating almost instantly. It was verbal communication. A picture is worth a thousand words.

- In order to give range and bearing to a pilot, the controller had to know exactly which blip was the pilot. It was not a trivial problem to tell an individual pilot whether the speck 5 miles north of him was a bandit or not.

- The information in WWII included altitude usually.

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Am0n · « **Reply #5 on:** December 05, 2001, 03:34:00 PM »

Ohh no! that might force us to c-c-c-communicate?!?

what are you trying to do here funked?!?

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Seriously though, im all for no dot dar, hell if i got this nice radar i want some locking missles as well.

funkedup · « **Reply #6 on:** December 05, 2001, 03:34:00 PM »

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Chasing friendly dots all over the map to ID them is....a GOOD thing?

Popeye, if you want to simulate WWII air combat it is.

There is a reason they flew in formations and planned their flights and stayed in contact on the radio. To reduce this kind of chasing.

Duckwing6 · « **Reply #7 on:** December 05, 2001, 03:41:00 PM »

gee.. WE KNOW IT ALREADY FUNKED !!!

allright you don't like Dar... next.

dtango · « **Reply #8 on:** December 05, 2001, 03:41:00 PM »

Hehe Popye.

And you are proposing we remove it all and ignore the reality of air combat command and control in WW2 Funked?

OK, somewhat of a pointed, rhetorical question. You and I have gone 'round & 'round on this a couple times before so I'm just jerking your chain for fun funked

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I still love a quote from the past from you...something like "if historians can't agree on history, it's no wonder that 'simmers' can't agree on 'realism'."

Tango, 1st Lt.
412th FS Braunco Mustangs

funkedup · « **Reply #9 on:** December 05, 2001, 03:44:00 PM »

Tango, read my posts. I'm just discussing historical IFF and radar vs. the implementation in this game. There seems to be some confusion among the community about what kind of capabilities were available in WWII, and what kind of capabilities were available in AH.

I'm not proposing anything in this thread.
I proposed some changes in my first AWACS thread and if you read my posts there I made it pretty clear. It just seems a lot of people don't read too well or something.

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K West · « **Reply #10 on:** December 05, 2001, 03:50:00 PM »

Hey. Believe me I'm a member of the choire Funkedup

My problem is I've been singing the same song so much these past few days that I'm getting a case of laringUBBitis. I think I'll just watch this encoure versus belting out the same old notes which most of the audience will deliberately misinterpret and thereafter will commence tossing tomatoes.

Westy

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dtango · « **Reply #11 on:** December 05, 2001, 03:52:00 PM »

Funked- Yes yes, I know

. Just threw in a jab at the sure to be coming "remove the dar because it's UNREALISTIC" posts that will come soon.

Tango, 1st Lt.
412th FS Braunco Mustangs

funkedup · « **Reply #12 on:** December 05, 2001, 03:54:00 PM »

Very well.

Aiswulf · « **Reply #13 on:** December 05, 2001, 03:55:00 PM »

Gotta say I'm part of that choir as well and thought I'd just like to hear myself sing a note or two before running away from the afore mentioned tomatoes

dtango · « **Reply #14 on:** December 05, 2001, 04:00:00 PM »

LOL SWulfe! Hey don't forget that your choir is armed with it's own share of stockpiled rotten tomatoes too intended for the 'other' choir!

Tango, 1st Lt.
412th FS Braunco Mustangs