Author Topic: The French Were Right (Read 15925 times)

muckmaw · « **Reply #45 on:** November 25, 2003, 08:22:04 PM »

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Originally posted by maslo
to ze se dement a jinak se nedomluvis, za to ti nikdo nemuze.

taky se francouzsky domluvis ve Svicarsku, Nigerii, pulce africe

and its second world diplomatic country my dear ignorant

If your going to insult me, at least get a translator...my dear...how do you say....schmuck.

It must suck to be second in everything except body odor.

Hortlund · « **Reply #46 on:** November 25, 2003, 08:23:53 PM »

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Originally posted by Cerceuilvolant
You need to learn to read.

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Eh...Did you actually read the article yourself? Those are direct quotes from the article.

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As for surrendering to the terrorist, if Grunerdz & so on insult the memory of the french people who died to the terrorist, then can I go piss on the 9/11 memorial? According to that logic, I would theorically ve allowed to do so.

As for all that surrender rhetoric, hehe, then I'd say that the wank... errh yankees are even more cowards, after all, they lost just 300 000 men in 3 years, while the French lost 120 000 in six weeks.

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What the hell are you talking about?

Look, its quite simple.
1) Read the article.

2) Find this passage: "In their first stab at constructing a policy to deal with the strange new threat of Islamic terrorism, the French adopted a policy of appeasement -- an approach that included tacit permission for globally oriented terrorist groups to use French soil as a base, so long as the groups did not make France itself a target."

3) Use a dictionary to translate that passage to whatever language you understand.

4) Explain the morality in that behavior, and how it is not surrendering to terrorism to adopt the stance "do whatever you want to others, you can even hide in our nation, just dont hurt us please"

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And pleeeease, Hortlund, don't make me troll by talking on how Sweden surrendered to Germany during the last two world wars to stay out of the big business... (well, aside of the ore it sold to make german guns )

Yeah, go ahead...knock yourself out. Most ppl on this forum will tend to spot the obvious attempt to shift topic of the discussion though, so I dont think it will do you any good. Although if you do a search, you will realize that I have argued before that Sweden was closer to being a minor German ally in ww2 more than anything else, and last time I checked, allies didnt surrender to eachother.

muckmaw · « **Reply #47 on:** November 25, 2003, 08:23:59 PM »

BTW, watch closely, this will be the thread that gets me on probation.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #48 on:** November 25, 2003, 08:24:59 PM »

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Originally posted by Cerceuilvolant

Poor Grunerdz... I wish you had the opportunity to read books, have debates or go to the university. You recall me one of these commies puking on the fascists, saying that they oppress the working class and so on: different shape, same background. You're closer to an antisemitic islamist, as a francophobic rascist, you're using the same rhetoric.

Actually the whole thing is qoaotable.

Lets break it down step by step:

Are you saying that if I were to go to university that I would be indoctorinated with a pro french worl view? I am going to university right now and will graduate this next june. I'm sure that I have missed much by sleeping through the glory of france clasess.. Histrory clasess, as much as I enjoy them. are slow painfully slow at times.... Really are you so arrogant that you belive all those who dont by into french glory propaganda are unducated or going more broadly with regard to your statement about books, unsophisticated as well.

As for me being racist about france? Well thats hillarious, perhaps that why I VOLUNTARILY studied the french language for several years - I knew it pretty danm well although I have forgotten much of it through lack of use since...

Sorry to burst your bubble there...

You may now surrender to my argument..

maslo · « **Reply #49 on:** November 25, 2003, 08:26:09 PM »

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Originally posted by Hortlund

%¤# Frogs...

where exactly did war stoped communism ?

Hortlund · « **Reply #50 on:** November 25, 2003, 08:27:17 PM »

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Originally posted by maslo
where exactly did war stoped communism ?

South Korea, Finland, Chile, Afghanistan, Nicaragua...

Martlet · « **Reply #51 on:** November 25, 2003, 08:28:39 PM »

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Originally posted by Cerceuilvolant

As for all that surrender rhetoric, hehe, then I'd say that the wank... errh yankees are even more cowards, after all, they lost just 300 000 men in 3 years, while the French lost 120 000 in six weeks.

So what you're saying is that in addition to being surrender monkeys, they can't fight either?

I guess the latter explains the former.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #52 on:** November 25, 2003, 08:28:56 PM »

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Originally posted by Cerceuilvolant

As for all that surrender rhetoric, hehe, then I'd say that the wank... errh yankees are even more cowards, after all, they lost just 300 000 men in 3 years, while the French lost 120 000 in six weeks.

There we have it! French military failiures explained at last! THEY WERE GREAT GLORIOUSC VICTORIES BECAUSE THEY LOST A GREAT DEAL OF MEN IN A SHORT TIME UNLIKE THE COWARDLY AMERICANS WHO HAD FEWER CASUALTIES!

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #53 on:** November 25, 2003, 08:29:57 PM »

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Originally posted by Hortlund
South Korea, Finland, Chile, Afghanistan, Nicaragua...

LIES! Kim Il Sung was a loving father for all Koreans!

Add Poland as well, they fought aar aginst the red communists in russia who made it as far west as warsaw.

Of course Finland also had a massive red vs white civil war during the 1920s - the whites won and so finland was not communist.

maslo · « **Reply #54 on:** November 25, 2003, 08:32:57 PM »

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Originally posted by Hortlund
South Korea, Finland, Chile, Afghanistan, Nicaragua...

can you post years and war sides ??

1st South Korea .. there is only truce not a peace

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #55 on:** November 25, 2003, 08:37:09 PM »

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Originally posted by maslo
can you post years and war sides ??

1st South Korea .. there is only truce not a peace

Are you serious? You do understand that the Communist North koreans invaded the south and that without US/UN intervention that they would have captured the whole south korea and made it communist like the north. The war finally drove the communits back to to the original borders where they remain today.

Should we compare the quality of life and human rights in NK to SK today to see the why this military defeat of communist agression was a good thing?

Again are you serious?

muckmaw · « **Reply #56 on:** November 25, 2003, 08:37:29 PM »

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Originally posted by maslo
can you post years and war sides ??

1st South Korea .. there is only truce not a peace

Don't waste your time...you could interview soldiers who fought in these wars and this guy would never believe you.

Your right...No war ever stopped communism...

How 'bout the cold war. We defeated communism, and never fired a shot.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #57 on:** November 25, 2003, 08:39:38 PM »

He cant possibly be serious, can he? I cant stop repeating that in my head.

Are you serious?

Kieran · « **Reply #58 on:** November 25, 2003, 08:41:34 PM »

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Originally posted by Cerceuilvolant
read that:

From the article posted above.

What I know, it's that the US troops secured immediately the iraqi oil ministery, while the Baghdad antiquities were being plundered, and that the archeological sites are STILL being plundered.

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Anyone with half of a brain knows that you cannot keep a modern jet fighter in the air without spare parts. Thus the Russian, Chinese and French jets should be museum pieces after 12 years of a so-called U.N. ban on weapons sales to Iraq. Yet somehow Saddam has his air force flying over 1,000 sorties a month.

Care to comment? Wanna comment on the billions of dollars France loses if there is no SH to pay back the debt owed? There is nothing unbiased about the French position on Iraq, and there is nothing noble, either. America is looking out for its own interests, no question, but you have no moral high ground in France. "Pardon my French", but Chirac is a two-faced liar where Iraq is concerned.

Speaking of discredited stories, your "looting" story was long ago disproven. If you're going to play that game, you're going to lose badly.

Hortlund · « **Reply #59 on:** November 25, 2003, 08:43:24 PM »

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Originally posted by maslo
can you post years and war sides ??

1st South Korea .. there is only truce not a peace

South Korea
1951-1953
Doesnt matter that there is only a truce, it was a war that kept communism out of South Korea. Without the war, South Korea would have met the same gruesly fate as South Vietnam.
Communists attacking and ended up being beaten back.

Finland
1939-1944
Communist Soviet union attacked Finland in 1939. Finland managed to beat off the attacker, and eventually managed to stay independent by giving up some land.

Chile
1973
Was not a "real" war, so maybe I should not include that one... Anyway, Allende, communist president was removed in a coup.

Nicaragua
1982-1988 (or something like that)
Was not a "real" war either, but rather a civil war, perhaps it should not be included either on second thought.
Anyway, the communist Sandinistas was removed after a rather long civil war against the Contras. Hmm, now that I think about it, I think they were defeated in an election after all those years of civil war. I withdraw Nicaragua from my list, since technically the communists lost power in an election.

Afghanistan
1979-1989
Communist Soviet union invades Afghanistan in 1979 and is defeated.