Author Topic: The French Were Right (Read 15932 times)

Yeager · « **Reply #90 on:** November 25, 2003, 10:32:00 PM »

France is a greater threat to world peace than you realize.

Saurdaukar · « **Reply #91 on:** November 25, 2003, 11:14:47 PM »

I an still angry at the French government's decision not to stand with America.

Thankfully about 50% of the French population feels the same way.

Rino · « **Reply #92 on:** November 26, 2003, 01:18:08 AM »

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Originally posted by Cerceuilvolant
Well, your latent francophobia is showing up via the historical revisionism you're constantly making. If I used the same rhetoric, I'd be allowed to say:

"the US fails everywhere: they got their bellybutton kicked in Korea by korean yokels armed with forks, by viets with forks, by phillipines with forks, by somalians with forks, and finally in Iraq. They're also the country of the genocide, with the Indians, the Phillipines, and concentration camps with the japanese in WW2, and racist & backward laws in the former confederate states in the US..." I sincerly don't think anything like that, but I smell a very funny "superior american" odor. Ya know, the British under queen Victoria thought that the English were superior (of course, especially to these pesky eternal ennemies that was France at the time) , and now look at wich level they felt. They got bypassed economically by the US & Germany & France.

As for the reference to the university, I wasn't referring to the lessons, but the the intellectual life at the university. That's where you can discuss/ argue with people of different opinions, and you have to assume what you're saying, because if you insult (different from not agreeing with someone else' opinion FYI) them freely like what's going on there, you'll end up with a broken nose.

Hortlund, that's my point. Why do you talk of a surrender especially when it's about France, while UK is applying this policy RIGHT NOW, letting terrorists live and act freely on its soil, and that some terrorists guilty of terrorist acts in France have been safe for a decade in UK?

edit: typo

You've been lurking since 2/01 and THIS is the best drivel
you can field? Holy moly!

Rino · « **Reply #93 on:** November 26, 2003, 01:21:05 AM »

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Originally posted by maslo
ad Korea... no comunism wasnt defeated, you only pushed it back, where it was before, you prevent expansion, so you didnt defeat anything

Finland .... europe were separated by hitler and stalin and both went for their 'new' lands... finland managed to defent them self, they never defeated any communist country

ad Chile, Nicarague... war and civil war is a bit diferent isnt it ?

Afghanistan... yes same song again.. Communist didnt expand, they didnt lose anything...

So where exacly were communist regime attacked, defeated and transformed by military power ?

Moscow 1992..hardliners lost

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #94 on:** November 26, 2003, 01:35:29 AM »

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Originally posted by Rino
Moscow 1992..hardliners lost

No no no that was a minor civil war and the communists were not exiled to Zimbabwe - nice try though...

straffo · « **Reply #95 on:** November 26, 2003, 01:46:23 AM »

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Originally posted by Hortlund
Wow...I'd say you managed to miss the point with about a mile.

Yes, they do have experience with terrorism, and their weapon of choise in dealing with it was surrendering to the terrorists. Did you read the parts I quoted?

We perhaps surrender (your word) but we didn't armed them

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Originally posted by Hortlund
Careful Grunherz, I think this one has a thing for you.

mars01, I think you might be looking for "Dowding" in case you are looking for oral sex with men. He admitted to being homosexual a while ago.

I rate this one 0/20.

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Originally posted by Kieran
Care to comment? Wanna comment on the billions of dollars France loses if there is no SH to pay back the debt owed? There is nothing unbiased about the French position on Iraq, and there is nothing noble, either. America is looking out for its own interests, no question, but you have no moral high ground in France. "Pardon my French", but Chirac is a two-faced liar where Iraq is concerned.

Speaking of discredited stories, your "looting" story was long ago disproven. If you're going to play that game, you're going to lose badly.

Billions ?
Aren't you confusing France and Russia ?

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Originally posted by Hortlund
Sorry, gonna call BS on this one.

Post your sources.

Abu Qatada, Djamel Beghal,Abu Hamza ring a bell ?

Thrawn · « **Reply #96 on:** November 26, 2003, 02:44:40 AM »

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Originally posted by Yeager
France is a greater threat to world peace than you realize.

Empty rhetorical statements like that one tick me off. It has no meaning and it's only purpose is to use an use unnamed fear to instill doubt. More than one realises eh? Give me a break.

Chirac did his job, he represented the wishes of the french people. Which is more than Bush did. Up to a month before the invasion of Iraq, the majority of the American people felt that Iraq should not be invaded at all or without a UN mandate.

CNN/USA Today/Gallup Poll. Feb. 24-26, 2003. N=1,003 adults nationwide. MoE ± 3.

"As you may know, the U.S., Great Britain, and Spain plan to submit a resolution to the United Nations that says that Iraq is in serious violation of prior UN resolutions that required Iraq to disarm. Do you think the United States should invade Iraq with ground troops only if the UN approves this new resolution, even if the UN does not approve this new resolution, or do you think the United States should not send ground troops to Iraq at all?" Options were rotated

Only with UN Approval - 40%
Even Without UN Approval - 38%
Not At All - 19%
No Opinion - 3%

And for you French, Germans and Russians out there, have not fear, the people on this board giving you crap represent the minority of Americans.

"Several U.S. allies, such as France, Germany, and Russia, oppose taking military action against Iraq at this time. Which of the following best describes how you feel about these countries not supporting the U.S. position on Iraq? Would you say that you agree with the position of these allies, disagree with these allies but respect their right to take that position, or are you angry that these allies are not supporting the United States?"

Agree with position of these allies - 18%
Disagree, but respect their right to take that position - 42%
Angry that they are not supporting the United States - 35%
Not sure - 5%

One last one for you Americans that have spoken out against Bush, take comfort.

FOX News/Opinion Dynamics Poll. Feb. 25-26, 2003. N=900 registered voters nationwide. MoE ± 3.

"Some people say that Americans who criticize President Bush and his position on Iraq are acting in an unpatriotic way. Other people say they are acting in an appropriate way by expressing their opinions through their right to free speech. Which of these positions is closer to your own?"

Unpatriotic - 20%
Appropriate 72%
Not sure - 8%

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #97 on:** November 26, 2003, 02:53:46 AM »

Thrawn- since when is governing done with popular opinion polls?

Does every decision have to be popular? Does that mean presidents avoid making the tough decisions, and only make popular decisions? What does that mean for leadership?

Holden McGroin · « **Reply #98 on:** November 26, 2003, 02:57:39 AM »

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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Thrawn- since when is governing done with popular opinion polls?

From Jan 20, 1993 to Jan 20, 2001

Thrawn · « **Reply #99 on:** November 26, 2003, 03:01:21 AM »

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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Thrawn- since when is governing done with popular opinion polls?

Does every decision have to be popular? Does that mean presidents avoid making the tough decisions, and only make popular decisions? What does that mean for leadership?

My Prime Minister is my employee not my leader. I'm an adult, I don't need someone else to lead me. But no, governing is not always done based solely on opinion polls, lobbiest play their part as well.

Also, when I hire a representitive, I do an interview. This takes place during their election campaign, they give me information, I then make an informed decision based on what they tell me they are going to do over the life time of that contract, whether or not to hire them.

Funny thing though, I don't recall Bush saying during his election campaign that he was planning on invading Iraq. Infact if I recall correctly the major of the US electorate rejected what he did campaign for in the first place.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #100 on:** November 26, 2003, 03:05:49 AM »

Well here we differ, I see the President as having a leadership role in our nation. However maybe the parlinmentary system is set up differently in this aspect and maybe it's because you are Canadian!

As for Iraq, that only happend because of our new focus on the mid east resulting from 911. Were you angered that he did not announce the Afghanistan invasion during the campaign too?

Kieran · « **Reply #101 on:** November 26, 2003, 06:58:54 AM »

Thrawn-

The number has bounced back-and-forth, but it seems certain a substantial debt is owed the French government by the SH regime. I am comfortable I am in the ballpark, but as always, I can be proven wrong.

Hortlund · « **Reply #102 on:** November 26, 2003, 07:42:06 AM »

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Originally posted by Thrawn

Funny thing though, I don't recall Bush saying during his election campaign that he was planning on invading Iraq.

Strangely enough he didnt mention 9-11 either... And when attacks like that happen on your nation, you'd better pray you have a leader like GWB.

SLO · « **Reply #103 on:** November 26, 2003, 08:14:26 AM »

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Originally posted by Martlet
So what you're saying is that in addition to being surrender monkeys, they can't fight either?

I guess the latter explains the former.

ok ok I can't read this watermelon anymore.....

Skuzzy.....Dale did say DIPLOMATIC.

the good ol' US of A is the god send country to save us all.....fuggin morons.....your country was born WITH the help of the French.....your most note worthy STATUE is a gift from the French.

the world defeated communism.....but wait a second...China is still communist....so no victory there

2nd most spoken language in the world....French

some of the best Doctors and scientist are French.....

some french soldiers DIED defending against Terrorist....but to you....who gives a chit.

you rather secure OIL then History.....

2nd most sold book in the world is about a french....well Corsican....still french....Jean D'Arc was french....Both made England shake in there boots.

a country with over a 1000 years of history is gettin a lesson from 1 with less the 300 years......

when you say arrogance, ego.....your talking about americans my friend...not the french:aok

SLO · « **Reply #104 on:** November 26, 2003, 08:17:48 AM »

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Originally posted by Hortlund
Strangely enough he didnt mention 9-11 either... And when attacks like that happen on your nation, you'd better pray you have a leader like GWB.

why.....so we can lash out at a 3rd world country and make us feel better:rolleyes:

completely ignore the world opinion.

ya Irak was gonna invade the good ol' US of A.