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Offline Martlet

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« Reply #75 on: November 25, 2003, 09:07:16 PM »
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Did you read the post?


They got their butts kicked then, like a dog, rallied the troops in support of the German occupiers.

Tell Chirac not to tick me off, I'll send my niece over their to kick his arse and run the country for awhile after he surrencers.

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« Reply #76 on: November 25, 2003, 09:09:26 PM »
So, how did those Mirage fighters keep on  flyin' all those years? Was France owed a debt to the tune of $8 billion? Are you trying to maintain France acted only in the interest of world peace? Seriously.

As to the US being a threat, if France wouldn't sign agreements with their fingers crossed behind their backs, maybe some conflicts could be avoided? In clearer  English, France should be more forthright in their dealings on the world stage. Trying to play both ends of the table at the same time is just too confusing to us dumb Americans.

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« Reply #77 on: November 25, 2003, 09:11:20 PM »
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And you wonder with such BS the majority of the europeans think that the USA are the 2nd greatest threat to the world peace... :lol


Here we agree, if there as no USA or Americans the world would be much safer and more peaceful. In fact some peace loving folks are working hard to make sure that happends...  

So far, 3000 down and 270 million to go!


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« Reply #78 on: November 25, 2003, 09:22:58 PM »
But the answer was implied in that reference to UK. It didn't work, it was an error. It worked for some other countries, it didn't work in the case of France, especially because of the french stance toward Iran in 1980's.

What some people don't seem to understand, is that the politic in itself always adapt to the reality, and that the ideological stances always fail when confronted to the reality.

The "I'm neat so be neat with me" internal policy didn't work, we're now way ahead of the others to protect us against the islamist terror, because we've infiltrated their networks. The so-called appeasement that France is supposed to make in the Middle East right now is not appeasement in the sense of "take everything as long as you don't hurt us", but to compensate the totally idiotic (because led by the neo-con ideology) US foreign policy in this area of the globe. Bush is spreading oil over the fire, and we don't want to pay for them, because as usual, the US are not protected by a courageous army, but by 5000 km of water, and we're not. -BTW, if the US would have had a common border with Germany, no doubt that the panzers would have paraded in Manhattan, not because US soldiers wouldn't have courageous or are living in a so-called decadent nation, but because the US doctrine was as outdated as the french one in 1940- . We're fighting the terror, we participated and are still participating in Afghanistan, but going in Iraq is the best give ever done to the islamists. Add to this the amateurish handling of the situation (even not able to make a discret intoxication campaign with the WMD, and an unprepared occupation, because the spin doctors that they'd be greated with flowers), Osama is probably having an orgasm (if he's still able to do so) right now.

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« Reply #79 on: November 25, 2003, 09:26:44 PM »
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So, how did those Mirage fighters keep on  flyin' all those years? Was France owed a debt to the tune of $8 billion? Are you trying to maintain France acted only in the interest of world peace? Seriously.

As to the US being a threat, if France wouldn't sign agreements with their fingers crossed behind their backs, maybe some conflicts could be avoided? In clearer  English, France should be more forthright in their dealings on the world stage. Trying to play both ends of the table at the same time is just too confusing to us dumb Americans.


They had no spare parts, they cannibalized them or maybe that they bought it t other countries that used the F1. From the military websites, they had just a few of their F1 operationnal in 2003. I could suggest like you that the US are supplying Iran, as they still use F14s... aaah, I forgot, Reagan did it with the Irangate affair :D

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« Reply #80 on: November 25, 2003, 09:35:03 PM »
All well and good, but if you want peace, the UN has to work. For the UN to work, ALL sides are required to play it straight, not just the US. If the US is going to be held to a different standard than Europe, it won't work.

If you sign a UN sanction, you have to back it up. Saying "dire consequences" didn't mean war (and it would be tough to argue Bush meant anything else) is not being straight. Bush forced the UN hand, true, but in a way it's a good thing; the UN and Security Council showed themselves to be a joke. Better to happen now than later.

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« Reply #81 on: November 25, 2003, 09:38:13 PM »
Hey, I'd agree about the F14's, except it is definitely not in our best interests to sell F-14's to Iran...

...or maybe it is... after all, we did retire them...


BTW, did Iraq owe France money or not? How 'bout this bit?

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In the years since the Gulf War, most attention has focused on weapons companies in Germany, Britain, Russia, France for smuggling weapons via grey-market fronts to Iraq.

Little has been done to stop them. In fact, UNSCOM is forbidden from making public any information regarding weapons suppliers that it may find in its inspections in Iraq. The rationale is that without such a prohibition, countries would refuse to back UNSCOM's efforts. But the result, of course, is virtual impunity for the companies and the countries licensing them who continue to ship the weapons.


Hm? Have a nice day. ;)

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« Reply #82 on: November 25, 2003, 09:39:13 PM »
"And you wonder with such BS the majority of the europeans think that the USA are the 2nd greatest threat to the world peace... "


With intellects like yours, it's no wonder at all.

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« Reply #83 on: November 25, 2003, 09:40:32 PM »
Going to the bed, so that Grunerdz can get his UBB victory.

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A vaincre sans péril on triomphe sans gloire    


-Corneille, in Le Cid.

You guys are just paranoïds. You see ennemies where you shouldn't, and you're not leaving the door open for your real ennemies, you're doing even worse: you're giving them reasons (in the muslim opinion) to hurt you even harder.

The euro polls don't mean: "we're afraid that the US will invade us" (they'd be nuked anyway), but "we're afraid that the US, due to their current foreign policy, cause a global war". You put the finger in the gears with Iraq, and not condemning strongly the israeli illegal settlements, let's see what will happen in 2004. An iranian affair is emerging...

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« Reply #84 on: November 25, 2003, 09:45:45 PM »
Didn't Bush just condemn the settlements in the last few days? Am I hallucinating?

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« Reply #85 on: November 25, 2003, 09:47:22 PM »
Chile that's a good one with a CIA paid political assassination followed up by years of roving death and torture squads, i'm sure all those people are happy aboot that and had a picture of Kissenger hanging on their cell walls to idolize.

El Salvador and Nicagragua oh yah all those well trained terr... i mean freedom fighters trained at the SOA and now they account for some of the worst atrocities in Latin American history.

Afganistan there a good one who was it that got millions from a certain govn't oh yeah  Benny Laden, yah we're on a roll!

Nothing like creating a breeding ground for terrorist in the name of Democracy, GO TEAM!:aok

I think it was two frenchmen she walked away with.;)
« Last Edit: November 25, 2003, 09:54:46 PM by Torque »

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« Reply #86 on: November 25, 2003, 09:56:34 PM »
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The euro polls don't mean: "we're afraid that the US will invade us" (they'd be nuked anyway), but "we're afraid that the US, due to their current foreign policy, cause a global war". You put the finger in the gears with Iraq, and not condemning strongly the israeli illegal settlements, let's see what will happen in 2004. An iranian affair is emerging...


Yes, the Europeans are experts at preventing global wars!!!!  I shudder at the thought if the old euro powers represented the west in the cold war instead of the usa...

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« Reply #87 on: November 25, 2003, 09:58:05 PM »
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Chile that's a good one with a CIA paid political assassination followed up by years of roving death and torture squads, i'm sure all those people are happy aboot that and had a picture of Kissenger hanging on their cell walls to idolize.

El Salvador and Nicagragua oh yah all those well trained terr... i mean freedom fighters trained at the SOA and now they account for some of the worst atrocities in Latin American history.

Afganistan there a good one who was it that got millions from a certain govn't oh yeah  Benny Laden, yah we're on a roll!

Nothing like creating a breeding ground for terrorist in the name of Democracy, GO TEAM!:aok

I think it was two frenchmen she walked away with.;)


Not terrorists, freedom fighters... :aok  ;)

Some nasty business there in SA, no doubt, but better than the spread of communism to add to their preexisting misery.

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« Reply #88 on: November 25, 2003, 10:27:17 PM »
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You're closer to an antisemitic islamist, as a francophobic rascist, you're using the same rhetoric.


Good point. I forgot how admantly sympathetic France was towards the Jewish people.
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« Reply #89 on: November 25, 2003, 10:29:38 PM »
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Good point. I totally forgot how adamently sympathetic France was to the Jewish people.


Touche!