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Offline kappa

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« Reply #195 on: November 26, 2003, 12:02:45 PM »
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Ahhh, of course you did.

I checked the first couple that you took off that satirical website.  CNN has the quotes listed completely different.  I'm assuming the rest are too.

And with that, I've got better things to do than chase down misquotes and blatant lies.

Feel free to print them, though.  My girlfriend isn't going to be home until late.  Maybe I'll tackle your next pack later since I have nothing else to do.


LMAO martlet.. you got NOTHING!!!!???  
run along now.. fly fly fly... fly fly fly...

I cant believe some punk would just come on the board devoid of thought, deny current events, and run away... Figures..
ya i can..........

Really, i just wanted an anwser to my question put to him...

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« Reply #196 on: November 26, 2003, 12:10:24 PM »
(maniacal laughter fades as everyone cautiously backs away from the raving lun... er...evil genius)
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« Reply #197 on: November 26, 2003, 12:20:51 PM »
Martlett,

Presidents and Prime Ministers of Western Democracies rarely 'lie' in politics. They present a certain version of the facts which justify a course of action they propose to take. More often than not it is a question of shades of grey and not blacks and whites.

You asked for attributable sources about Bush using the existence of WMD to persuade the public to support the war and that was the best I could find in the short time I spent looking. I do agree that the site that they are taken from is an 'anti-bush' site, so there may be a context issue. That said, it now appears to be incumbent on you to point out those context issues according to your own rules of engagement on this point. Could you point me to the CNN site which reports the quotes differently please?

I am sure of the following though:

a.  Tony Blair said in terms that there were WMD in Iraq. It was also said, (I am not sure by whom but it was by someone in Blair's cabinet it not Blair himself) that these could be released 'within 45 minutes' of the order being given. I remember this clearly because I was on the fence about going to war and it was this argument that persuaded me that going to war was the right thing to do.

b.  There was a BBC world service broadcast in which they were interviewing ex-intelligence types who were livid that intelligence had been used in this way. They said that the use of intelligence in this fashion (cherry picking facts out of context which helped the pro-war argument) had set back intelligence credibility enormously.

c. Frankly, I think that put at its highest in favour of Bush/Blair, on the intelligence they had, neither Bush nor Blair knew for certain whether there were WMD in Iraq and made a judgment call. That judgment call is increasingly looking like a bad one.

d. I am more inclined to believe that the intelligence as they saw it suggested that there probably were no WMD in Iraq, but because so many of their own electorate were wavering (like myself) they had to come up with solid argument for war and hope like hell that either WMD were found or failing that something else would turn up or failing that they could snow the issue.

e. I like your idea:

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No one bothers to get the real facts, they make up their own. Now, instead of saying "oops, I'm a retard", he continues to argue a point that even he knows to be false.


Somehow I don't think we are ever going to hear Bush and Blair say ' oops, I'm a retard'. - would make good telly though!

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« Reply #198 on: November 26, 2003, 12:31:03 PM »
-France said even before that iraqi gunboat war that Saddam had WMD. The difference is that according to the french intelligence, it was not an immediate threat for the neighbours of Iraq and even less for the West. Murdoch's propaganda portraying Saddam like the new Hitler, rolling in the streets of Manhattan with his 40 years old T-55s shipped by the two fishing boats of the Iraqi Navy is simply ridiculous. ANYONE can make a chemical attack in the US, whenever they want. Bush sure should invade the whole planet if wants to avoid all the threat.

-France is 1500 years old, not 1000. It was founded by the baptism of Clovis I in 496.

-Sure France had interests in Iraq, and its natural that Iraq pays the debt that it owns to France. They've got enough petrol to refund us. Iraq owes me money, as a taxpayer. And it's natural for any country to see badly an US rule Iraq, because of the well know US tendancy of monopolizing the oversea markets. So far, the majority of the markets have been given to US companies. Want to give them freedom à l'américaine? Heh, sounds like UK or France coming in the kingdom of the Great King Humgulugulu, shooting twice with their gunboat, and selling them their mirrors and pearls, and bringing them, of course, "civilization". The day you'll understand that exporting values is one of the most anti-democractic thing. Europeans did it between the XVIth and XXth century, you know what happened. Now that the americans enjoy imperialism, they're doing the same bull****. Let Iraq decide by itself what it wants to do, don't act like generous idiots, because you're like an elephant in a porcelain shop.

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« Reply #199 on: November 26, 2003, 12:37:26 PM »
I'de like to meet you guys on the left....which one of you will make the con this coming year?

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« Reply #200 on: November 26, 2003, 12:58:40 PM »
Cerceuilvolant,

Ok, a reasonable response...

As long as you are clear France was looking out for itself, not merely acting benevolently.  Personally, I would support doing something about Iraq because of its history of aggression against its neighbors in the Middle East, in particular its stance against Israel. Wanna guess how fast that nuclear powderkeg gets lit if Iraq tries anything against Israel? Syria and Saudia Arabia know better, but Iraq started sending missiles over during Gulf War I. They'll never know what a favor we did them by persuading the Israelis from seeking retribution themselves.

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« Reply #201 on: November 26, 2003, 12:58:45 PM »
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ok ok I can't read this watermelon anymore.....

Skuzzy.....Dale did say DIPLOMATIC.:mad:

the good ol' US of A is the god send country to save us all.....fuggin morons.....your country was born WITH the help of the French.....your most note worthy STATUE is a gift from the French.

the world defeated communism.....but wait a second...China is still communist....so no victory there

2nd most spoken language in the world....French

some of the best Doctors and scientist are French.....

some french soldiers DIED defending against Terrorist....but to you....who gives a chit.

you rather secure OIL then History.....

2nd most sold book in the world is about a french....well Corsican....still french....Jean D'Arc was french....Both made England shake in there boots.

a country with over a 1000 years of history is gettin a lesson from 1 with less the 300 years...... :rolleyes:

when you say arrogance, ego.....your talking about americans my friend...not the french:aok



We were helped by the French King.  What happened to him?

China is about as communist now as Walmart.

As I remenber, the second most spoken language is English.  The first  is Madarin Chinese.

French soldiers have nothing to be ashamed of.  As usual the politicians are to blame.  They have the power and call the shots.

The oil in Mexico and Canada is closer and cheaper to just buy for the American needs than a war of conquest.  **** there is oil off shore of the USA and in Alaska that only politics is stopping the use of.  

America didn't just appear from the mist, or are you talking about the age of governments?  Anyway the governmnent of the USA has been pretty stable and successful the last couple of hundred years.  How about the government of France?

The USA dominates much of the world in many ways, but I'm just a delusional American.

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« Reply #202 on: November 26, 2003, 01:06:01 PM »
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I'de like to meet you guys on the left....which one of you will make the con this coming year?


who's the left side guys?? am i left side b/c I feel out president has been lying to us?? just wondering.. no debate.. 8)

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« Reply #203 on: November 26, 2003, 01:12:38 PM »
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who's the left side guys?? am i left side b/c I feel out president has been lying to us?? just wondering.. no debate.. 8)

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« Reply #204 on: November 26, 2003, 01:31:27 PM »
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Let Iraq decide by itself what it wants to do, don't act like generous idiots, because you're like an elephant in a porcelain shop.




after reading this thread i only agree with this and would like to add that for people who have a smart debate, you guys suck at spelling and grammar :p

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« Reply #205 on: November 26, 2003, 01:33:30 PM »
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after reading this thread i only agree with this and would like to add that for people who have a smart debate, you guys suck at spelling and grammar :p


Unlike your mastery of punctuation. :p
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« Reply #206 on: November 26, 2003, 01:34:49 PM »
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If you don't know then you are probably on the left.


If you dont know... then YOU dont know............

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« Reply #207 on: November 26, 2003, 01:59:12 PM »
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after reading this thread i only agree with this and would like to add that for people who have a smart debate, you guys suck at spelling and grammar :p


Il faut bien dire que l'on part avec un handicap initial :)
C'est sur que l'on fera moins de fautes en utilisant un langage civilisé (avec des accents et tout ce qui fait le charme d'une vraie langue :p ) mais bon faut bien qu'on traduise ...
Sinon il y en a qui ne vont pas arriver à suivre ...

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« Reply #208 on: November 26, 2003, 02:02:45 PM »
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Originally posted by kappa
If you dont know... then YOU dont know............

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Well, the right is typified by stong beliefs, values, and morals. The left isn't.
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« Reply #209 on: November 26, 2003, 02:04:23 PM »
I think this one is done.

How do you say that in French?