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Thank you for visiting, Mr. President, but...
« on: November 27, 2003, 01:26:13 AM »
Last week we had the pleasure of welcoming Mr. President to Britain. GWB was accommodated at Buckingham Palace, the first US president to have stayed there since Woodrow Wilson about 90 years ago. I hope our anti-war demonstrators weren't too impolite. We have strong links with America and a special relationship, so it was a time to consider the white piece of paper and not the black dot, were one to exist.

Security was intense, and involved 5000 of our own police in an operation costing £5m or about $8m.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2003/11/18/nbush18.xml
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About 250 American security agents, many armed, will also be on duty. They have not been granted diplomatic immunity and will be subject to the British legal system if they open fire.
But the increased security for GWB came at a price for Londoners. Street muggings and robberies increased by 20% in this period because of the 5000 police being drafted away from their normal duties. Story: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=%2Fnews%2F2003%2F11%2F26%2Fnrob26.xml&secureRefresh=true&_requestid=74252

I suppose this was to be expected, and now that those police have resumed normal duties, muggings and robberies have fallen to "normal" levels. I believe that if we had MORE police, the incidence of street robbery could be driven down still further. I think this is a better and more effective way of tackling street crime than some alternatives that are sometimes suggested. ;)

But that would cost money, and it must be remembered that we have a government which squanders £638m on a white elephant like the Millennium Dome, and then can't find the money for extra police. :rolleyes: And builds idiotic, infrequently used bus lanes on the motorway between Heathrow Airport and London. :mad:

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« Reply #1 on: November 27, 2003, 01:40:23 AM »
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Originally posted by beet1e [ Street muggings and robberies increased by 20% in this period because of the 5000 police being drafted away from their normal duties. Story:



If only the citizens had been allowed to have guns, maybe the tragic increase in muggings could have been avoided.

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« Reply #2 on: November 27, 2003, 02:20:00 AM »
hmmm Nuke beat me to it.
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« Reply #3 on: November 27, 2003, 03:03:48 AM »
Of all the Presidents in the last 90 years to have resided in the White House, they choose this one. lol It's enough to make yer cry.

Ever read Closing Time by Joseph Heller? It's the sequel to Catch-22. Interesting parallels.
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« Reply #4 on: November 27, 2003, 03:27:49 AM »
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Of all the Presidents in the last 90 years to have resided in the White House, they choose this one. lol It's enough to make yer cry.

Ever read Closing Time by Joseph Heller? It's the sequel to Catch-22. Interesting parallels.


Ahhh the cost off taking the heat of charlie possible indiscretions

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If only the citizens had been allowed to have guns, maybe the tragic increase in muggings could have been avoided.


true...very true...



of course all that good news would've been tempered by all the extra shootings and murders...   :p

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« Reply #5 on: November 27, 2003, 06:51:42 AM »
I'm re-reading Alfred Burne's "The Crecy War". What the hell europe used to be a rocking fun place, what the devil happened to you people?
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« Reply #6 on: November 27, 2003, 07:50:16 AM »
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of course all that good news would've been tempered by all the extra shootings and murders...   :p


If that were to occur, the mayor of London could take on this attitude:

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« Reply #7 on: November 27, 2003, 09:06:30 AM »
gee trotsky.... muggings and street robberies are soooooo non violent eh?   besides... you have very little faith in our british friends...  whenever they are allowed to be armed the murder rate does not go up... nor... does it go down during times of bans...  was a great theory tho... to bad about all the facts getting in the way.  

bet crime and murder are waaaay down in your country since the women took your guns away huh?

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« Reply #8 on: November 27, 2003, 09:15:01 AM »
Even if guns were allowed in the UK it is HIGHLY unlikely they would be allowed to be carried and or fired within London's city limits....much like New York, say.

So, guns would have done NOTHING to prevent the increase in crime that Beet1e speaks about...but typically the Americans immediately jump to this conclusion.
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« Reply #9 on: November 27, 2003, 09:23:18 AM »
curval... I believe we are talking about concealed carry.   Every state and city in the U.S. allows some form of concealed carry.   In the U.S.  off duty police are required to carry firearms in most police forces.  

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« Reply #10 on: November 27, 2003, 09:37:15 AM »
The way I see it, Brits have come to accept muggings as part of their lives. Is that better than being able to defend yourself?

I can hear the rebut now... "yeah, but you Americans accept murder as part of your lives!" True... but usually it's one bad guy killing another bad guy over something neither should have been doing in the first place. More than that, they are usually illegally carrying guns, so all the gun laws in the world wouldn't have stopped them anyway.

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« Reply #11 on: November 27, 2003, 09:39:32 AM »
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curval... I believe we are talking about concealed carry.   Every state and city in the U.S. allows some form of concealed carry.   In the U.S.  off duty police are required to carry firearms in most police forces.  

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Okay...but if you fire a weapon in New York City (even in self defense)...what happens?
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« Reply #12 on: November 27, 2003, 09:50:10 AM »
You guys are not for real ? youre turning this into a gun debate lol :D

For me you guys can carry guns or whatever kind of arms you need. As long as you stay in your own country.
Just let the countries with guncontrol laws alone.
We seems to do fine without them.
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« Reply #13 on: November 27, 2003, 09:56:38 AM »
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The way I see it, Brits have come to accept muggings as part of their lives.


You mean I've accepted getting mugged in the same way I've accepted getting rained on occasionally? Pur-leaze. Yeah, I get mugged all the time. Bummer, but what can you do?
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« Reply #14 on: November 27, 2003, 10:16:50 AM »
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Ahhh the cost off taking the heat of charlie possible indiscretions

 

true...very true...



of course all that good news would've been tempered by all the extra shootings and murders...   :p

 Tronsky


Yeah, the muggers would  have been shot, tragically increasing the gun related deaths in the UK . :)

Criminals prefer unarmed victims