Author Topic: New "Scooter" to replace stolen one (Read 1558 times)

Gixer · « **Reply #15 on:** November 30, 2003, 09:59:53 PM »

Lazs

Motorbike CC engine size are restricted for a good reason. Stop inexperienced riders from killing themselves on a bigger bikes then they can handle.

Though this rule worked well a few decades ago, I think today it would be alot more effective to restrict bikes by HP. As there are alot of production 125's that can do 100 plus mph.

...-Gixer
~Hells Angels~

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Originally posted by lazs2
just curious... what is your governments excuse for not allowing you to have a motorcyle (anything over 125cc)?

oh... and you are fine with that?
lazs

AKIron · « **Reply #16 on:** November 30, 2003, 10:06:35 PM »

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Originally posted by Gixer
Lazs

Motorbike CC engine size are restricted for a good reason. Stop inexperienced riders from killing themselves on a bigger bikes then they can handle.

Though this rule worked well a few decades ago, I think today it would be alot more effective to restrict bikes by HP. As there are alot of production 125's that can do 100 plus mph.

...-Gixer
~Hells Angels~

Lazs is usually capable of speaking for himself but I think you just made his point.

Are you saying that experienced riders are then allowed more horsepower?

Gadfly · « **Reply #17 on:** November 30, 2003, 10:15:55 PM »

I thought curbs and asphalt were the arbiters of power vs experience?

Gixer · « **Reply #18 on:** November 30, 2003, 10:26:16 PM »

I was just saying that engine size isn't the great restriction on bike performance that it use to be. Since alot of 125's are very very fast.

And yes HP should be restricted to inexperienced riders (meaning less then 6 months experience) as I can gurantee most new riders would kill themselves on my bike within 2 weeks. Or at best end up with a couple of injuries and a written off bike.

Of course goverments don't really need to restrict bike performance. As insurance companies do it from them with unafordable premiums.

Even an experienced rider can't afford to insure anything over 600cc in some countries.

...-Gixer
~Hells Angles~

-ammo- · « **Reply #19 on:** November 30, 2003, 11:32:08 PM »

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Originally posted by Gixer

And yes HP should be restricted to inexperienced riders (meaning less then 6 months experience) as I can gurantee most new riders would kill themselves on my bike within 2 weeks. Or at best end up with a couple of injuries and a written off bike.

...-Gixer
~Hells Angles~

Actually you cant garauntee that at all. Age (or maturity level rather ) plays a HUGE role in that equation. I am 36, hadn't owned a bike for 18 years and now ride my fz1. I am inexperienced, but argue that I make much better decisions than a younger, more inmature rider would. I simply understand the possible consequences of a high speed crash. I ride "briskly" but have yet to go down. I have had a few cagers test my reflexes though, and have made a couple of mistakes, though not catestrophic.

capt. apathy · « **Reply #20 on:** December 01, 2003, 02:27:40 AM »

It doesn't matter what size your bike is, there are only 3 basic types of riders, those that have crashed, those that are gonna crash, and those that are kidding themselves.

that said, I spent the first 3-4 years of my adult life using a bike as my only transportation (except Dec, Jan, Feb where the wifes car had to fill in when the road had ice or the temp got below 35)

I've put it on the ground twice (once my fault and once an old woman who couldn't see over her stearing wheel did the infamous 'left turn'.

I've actually taken more damage in car accidents than either of the bike wrecks, and at slower speeds.

Gixer · « **Reply #21 on:** December 01, 2003, 03:01:24 AM »

True I can't gurantee that. But the statistics unfortunetly show that the highest rate of fatal accidents for bikers fall to the 40 plus age group.

Those getting back into biking after a few years off and are use to the performance of their old Triumph Twin.

...-Gixer
~Hells Angles~

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Originally posted by -ammo-
Actually you cant garauntee that at all. Age (or maturity level rather ) plays a HUGE role in that equation. I am 36, hadn't owned a bike for 18 years and now ride my fz1. I am inexperienced, but argue that I make much better decisions than a younger, more inmature rider would. I simply understand the possible consequences of a high speed crash. I ride "briskly" but have yet to go down. I have had a few cagers test my reflexes though, and have made a couple of mistakes, though not catestrophic.

-ammo- · « **Reply #22 on:** December 01, 2003, 06:47:49 AM »

what statistics do you have? I would perceive from all the accident reports I have seen that teenage-25 year old riders would be the most prone to an accident.

lazs2 · « **Reply #23 on:** December 01, 2003, 08:32:37 AM »

well... now I am confused... is it because he lives in munchkinville and the roads are big enough for cars but not motorcycles or... is it because he will hurt himself if his government doesn't watch over him?

seems like just another case of big nanny taking away rights because she can with no real reason..

600cc? who came up with that magic number? you guys really roll over and spread your legs for your governments out there eh?

here you can buy a 502 cubic inch, 600 hp motorcycle and insure it for very little cost. It is all about what you want to do not what the government or the effeminate guy in the city wants you to do.... for a while yet anyway. combine that with your concealled carry permit for your 44 mag and you will make euros faint.
lazs

gofaster · « **Reply #24 on:** December 01, 2003, 08:54:39 AM »

Nothing wrong with small engines on small bikes. Its the power/weight ratio and how its optimized.

I think the Red Ranger and the red cycle with the spikey tail are a perfect match!

You gonna put a windscreen on it?

Curval · « **Reply #25 on:** December 01, 2003, 08:55:07 AM »

Lazs...I'll try and find the government regulations specific to mototcycles.

One thing you guys need to understand..sure we have cars. But those cars MUST fit certain dimension crieria..ie they need to be small. Now it wouldn't make much sense to allow ANY car here because 2 large ones would meet on a road and be unable to pass each other. This is not a case of nannying...just COMMON FREAKING SENSE. We also have yer two way streets on which there is only room for one car...you have to go slow and be careful. If you meet another car, someone has to back up until they fund a driveway they can back into to allow the other car to pass. Such occurances would no doubt lead to massive road rage incidents in the US....here it is part of life.

Now, you could have larger bikes, because as many have pointed out many big bikes have quite small turn radius' but hey...rules are rules. This island is 21 miles long. Just how far do you want to drive a 1,000 CC bullet bike?

Funny how you can really argue a point about the laws of this island lazs, but this is one place you haven't been yet and this dosen't qualify you to express an opinion at all.

Come visit...stay at my place, and I'll show you what it is like. Then we can have a civil discussion.

lazs2 · « **Reply #26 on:** December 01, 2003, 09:04:37 AM »

so curval.... you can see no reason for the law just that "rules are rules"??? man, I hope I never get that complacent..

How bout the government let me decide what is practical? I know that is a pretty big concept and you don't need to answer right away... give yourself some time to wrap your brain around it.

I am not an island person but thanks for the offer.

lazs

AKIron · « **Reply #27 on:** December 01, 2003, 09:11:31 AM »

Maybe they don't wanna scare the tourists with any big loud motorcycles? Not knocking it, a country has the right to protect a source of income.

Mark Luper · « **Reply #28 on:** December 01, 2003, 09:29:12 AM »

Curval,
Nice scooter you got there. I bet it won't be too long before that "Ranger" decides he needs some quality time on it

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I grew up in Brasil and where I grew up most of the streets and roads were so poor that anything bigger than something like you bought was impractical. No government restrictions were there, some guys had some cool 4 cyl. Indians and there were a couple of old Harleys but it just wasn't very practical.

Hope you have fun with it.

Curval · « **Reply #29 on:** December 01, 2003, 09:42:04 AM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
so curval.... you can see no reason for the law just that "rules are rules"??? man, I hope I never get that complacent..

How bout the government let me decide what is practical? I know that is a pretty big concept and you don't need to answer right away... give yourself some time to wrap your brain around it.

I am not an island person but thanks for the offer.

lazs

Perhaps I need an arsenal of guns to show that I will refuse to be complacent?

Strange though...I didn't hear anything about a Waco style shootout when helmet laws were passed in California...I would have thought it would have centered around a little hovel in Dixon. Afterall..how could anyone with any dignity or self respect put up with such an imposition on your freedom?

What "did" you do when these laws were imposed lazs? Surley you didn't take it "lying down"?