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Pongo · « **Reply #1 on:** December 02, 2003, 06:06:02 PM »

Jochiem Peiper

spitfire708 · « **Reply #2 on:** December 02, 2003, 06:32:05 PM »

its a nazi

BenDover · « **Reply #3 on:** December 02, 2003, 06:34:22 PM »

some SS geezer.

brady · « **Reply #4 on:** December 03, 2003, 12:03:18 PM »

Peiper, it is:)

Reschke · « **Reply #5 on:** December 03, 2003, 12:56:10 PM »

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Originally posted by spitfire708
its a nazi

Do you have proof? If not then why paint with such a broad brush? Sure many citizens and military personnel for Germany during WW2 were members of the Nazi party. Also many others were members simply to stay "out of sight, out of mind". Remember this; those men were fighting for their country for the exact same reason that US, British, etc... fought for their own country...

That reason was they thought their leader's way was the right way and all because they had a leader who had convinced every man, woman and child that they were in the right and everyone else was wrong. Not to mention had a secret police force that was suspicious of everyone in the country. And that was one reason for a large majority of the military personnel who were high profile to be members of the party; to be out of suspicion.

Pongo · « **Reply #6 on:** December 03, 2003, 01:44:21 PM »

LOL
he was as as nazi as they come...
Read up on it.

F4UDOA · « **Reply #7 on:** December 03, 2003, 01:47:21 PM »

If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck then it's a duck.

straffo · « **Reply #8 on:** December 03, 2003, 01:57:47 PM »

Reschke did you notice it was a SS ?

Guppy35 · « **Reply #9 on:** December 03, 2003, 02:11:44 PM »

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Originally posted by Reschke
Do you have proof? If not then why paint with such a broad brush? Sure many citizens and military personnel for Germany during WW2 were members of the Nazi party. Also many others were members simply to stay "out of sight, out of mind". Remember this; those men were fighting for their country for the exact same reason that US, British, etc... fought for their own country...

Yer kidding right Reschke? Joachim Peiper was Commander of the 1st Liebstandarte Regiment. That'd be the 1st SS, Adolf Hitler, Hitler's Bodyguard etc etc.

Yep, he was just some ordinary Joe, fighting for his country, who swore no blood oath to Hitler etc etc. Just an out of sight, out of mind kinda guy old Joachim Peiper. That old Final Solution stuff was just a guy fighting for his country. Yep they tripped and fell into Poland, Czecheslovakia, Belgium, Holland, France, Russia etc etc etc. They needed more room for golf courses.

GAWD the apologists for these guys are everywhere.

Do a little reading up on this will ya? It's fascinating stuff. All kinds of books on the SS out there. They were a bit different then the Wehrmacht for example. Had a different approach to things and a different loyalty.

Quoting from "Soldiers of Destruction" by Charles Sydnor.

"SS soldiers attended several lectures weekly and were told repeatedly that the goal of their training was to shape them into political soldiers of the fuhrer

Political training was divided into three broad areas. The first dealt with the history of the Nazi Party, and included an examination of the party program. The second involved the history and racial beliefs of the SS. The third and most important part required a careful analysis of the enemies of National Socialism. In order of importance these were: 1-Jews, 2-Fremasonry, 3-Bolshevism and 4-The churches."

And in case you are going to tell me that is just the author's opinion, he is taking the information from SS circular orders from March of 1937.

I'll tell ya what. e-mail me at dlj447@frontiernet.net and if you want I'll loan you my copy of the Division history of the 2nd SS that I have. It's a fascinating look into the minds of those guys. I've got some 1st SS stuff too. I went through my phase of trying to understand how those guys came about a long time ago.

Dan/Slack

Reschke · « **Reply #10 on:** December 03, 2003, 03:53:18 PM »

Yes I noticed the SS and yes I know he was a died in the wool nazi blockhead.

No I am not an "apologist"; I just don't think its right to categorize every person who fought for Germany in WW2 as a Nazi. The same way as I don't think its right to label everyone who fought for the Allies as heroes or the Italians as Fascists, etc...

I work for a German corporation here in the US and my Boss became a Hitler Youth during the war. To have him tell how his father was treated as a non-Nazi during that time is amazing. His father and mother were not members of the Nazi party but their only son (my boss) was a member of the Hitler Youth. During this early part of his life he has told me how the other Hitler Youth who were older would push him to leave his parents and live with them. I have heard many things that break my heart as a parent that he was asked to do and pressured into doing. I also know from his first hand account of what it was like to be a member of that organization and have to get prepared as a young boy for the final defense. Luckily for him he was not sent to fight in that time.

On another note from that same vein he had an employer in the 60's or 70's who had been the youngest officer ever to be on the General Staff of the Luftwaffe. He was an example of what I mentioned in this thread earlier. Not every high profile member of the military was a loyal member of the Nazi party.

Mine is not about trying to understand them or figure them out. From my own viewpoint I personally think it is wrong to categorize everyone who served in any one nations service in one way or the other. Having met many veterans of German, US, British and Italian service. I know that those men hold each other in higher regard than we will ever begin to understand. Both my grandfathers were in the military in the South Pacific and one of my wife's great uncles fought for Italy and another for Germany before moving to the US after the war. I have heard first hand accounts of many of the units and know that the men who were with them only fought for country and honor and nothing else.

Guppy35 · « **Reply #11 on:** December 03, 2003, 04:09:38 PM »

No one was categorizing all of them. This was a reference to the Nazi in the photo and there is no question as to where his loyalties lay.

I remember well, back in the early 70s when I was a teenager, having a minister speak at our church. His name was Hagan Stack and he had fought on the Russian Front in WW2. He vividly described the moment he made his decision. He'd jumped into a trench and got there the same time as a Russian soldier. He got his shot off first and killed the man, and then was stuck with him, ala All Quiet on the Western Front. He too went through the man's wallet and saw the photo of the wife and kids. He knew then that he couldn't continue and ended up surrendering and spent 10 years in a Russian POW camp. He knew the cause was wrong and made his stand at an incredible price, and carried the memory of that moment with him always.

That being said, you throw a photo of an SS man up and he's a Nazi.

Dan/Slack

Red Tail 444 · « **Reply #12 on:** December 03, 2003, 04:26:39 PM »

OK, we can compromise.

he was a nazi with a conscience, he shed a tear in private with every death camp report that crossed his desk.

Everybody make happy now, see ya up!

gainsie

Red Tail 444 · « **Reply #13 on:** December 03, 2003, 04:29:37 PM »

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Originally posted by Reschke
That reason was they thought their leader's way was the right way and all because they had a leader who had convinced every man, woman and child that they were in the right and everyone else was wrong. Not to mention had a secret police force that was suspicious of everyone in the country. And that was one reason for a large majority of the military personnel who were high profile to be members of the party; to be out of suspicion.

Are we talking about Germany, or our leaders, and the Patriot Act?

Nod · « **Reply #14 on:** December 03, 2003, 05:02:51 PM »

still he was SS!!!! I admit that most people in the Army/Navy/Luftwaffe did not hold the Nazi ideals into high regard. Still though this is the SS, and to work for the SS you most likely had to be a strong Nazi, or be forced into being one with threat of losing your job/family/life.

So all in all the SS are NAZI'S!!!