Another Interstate sniper on the loose

[gofaster]

Originally posted by Habu
One thing England has that is worth copying is a network of cameras that basically record every public place and road all the time.

... I am all for freedom and liberty but a system like this would make it much easier to identify and  catch car bombers and snipers and other terrorists. It would be hard to wire the whole US like this due to its size but major cities would be a good place to start.

The local government here installed some outdoor cameras at a popular party/club scene part of town, along with a software program that was designed to catch the faces of the people and run them through a database of mugshots to identify wanted criminals.  Such a system brought a lot of attention and had a number of folks claiming that their privacy was being invaded (I didn't know there was an expectation of privacy in a crowded bar).  After spending umpty-ump dollars for the system and using it for awhile, it was realized that the system really didn't do much to stop crime.

[Curval]

Originally posted by miko2d
Which part. That there was less gun violence in US or that UK set on the path of socialism a few decades earlied than US did?

Miko..what you said was this "Before socialism creeped in - primarily from England - there were as many guns but much less gun violence. Nothing about England setting out on the path of socialism earier than the US...you claimed in your post that socialism creeped into the US FROM England.  Please don't twist what you said...it is there in black and white.  Unless this is a language issue.

I do not actually blame UK for any US woes. UK had perfect right to ruin itself by socialism and put very little pressure on US to do the same.
 If not from UK, the US socialists would have imported the state socialism directly from Germany where it originated under Bismark.

You clearly were blaming England...now you are changing what you said.

[gofaster]

Originally posted by SaburoS
Even if we brought out a certain death penealty w/o appeals, these animals will still murder. They don't fear the punishment, they fear the getting caught part. They most always think they'll get away with the crime.

You hit it right on the head.  Its not the punishment that's feared, its the getting caught.

I think its just a matter of time before forensics and public tips come together.  There was another case, I think it was in Ohio, where a killer was driving around hunting and shooting people.  Eventually a guy stepped forward and said that an acquaintance of his had mentioned how much of a challenge it would be to hunt people, like in the short story "The Most Dangerous Game".  He described the acquaintance and it matched up with eyewitness descriptions of a suspect and the suspect's vehicle.  They got a name, DMV provided an address for the vehicle registration, forensics matched the rifle to the bullets, and he was nabbed.  Can't recall the guy's name, though.

[miko2d]

Curval:Miko..what you said was this "Before socialism creeped in - primarily from England

 You clearly were blaming England...now you are changing what you said.

 It does sound that way - and I am sorry for misunderstanding. The poor England was the first afflicted by that evil among the anglo-saxon community and then it creeped into US with few englishmen pushing it on US - John Maynard Keynes being the major offender - and many americans pulling it.

 I would no more blame England for infecting US with socialism than I would blame my friend of infecting me with flu. He could have been more carefull but flu being what it is, one is likely to get it anyway.

 miko

[Otto]

You can be sure it's a single, White, unenployed male between 25 and 35 who lives with his mother.  That's what all the 'talking heads' just knew was doing the shooting in Washington.

  I feel very sorry for the woman who was killed.  I hope they catch (him/her) soon.

[beet1e]

Originally posted by Curval
Only the people who actually DESERVE to be shot Beet1e...haven't you been reading all the "Armed Citizen" articles posted recently.

Ah yes - thank you for correcting me. Now I remember. These are the people who "needed to be killed". Hmm, I wonder why someone thought the 62 year old lady driving to her doctor's surgery needed to be killed...

[Toad]

Talk about twisting it.

You may pretend you think "all life is sacred" but it's BS.

The simple test is this:

If you were holding a .45 caliber pistol and a cell phone and watching someone trying to stab your child with a butcher's knife, which one would you use first?

There's people that deserve to be killed. Attack my family with deadly force and you can be one of them. I'll do my best to see that you are.

I'm thinking just about every one of us feels pretty much the same on that subject.

But go ahead and pretend.

[lazs2]

well.... I guess one way to get rid of insanity is to ban firearms.   No way could this guy kill anyone without a gun.

thing is tho... better that you have a gun when you run into this guy than not have one.

and.... all this gun violence and still.... our homicide rate goes down.  

lazs

[beet1e]

Originally posted by Toad
If you were holding a .45 caliber pistol and a cell phone and watching someone trying to stab your child with a butcher's knife, which one would you use first?  

Is this a real life event or merely a hypothetical scenario? Has anyone ever attacked a child with a butcher's knife in the presence of the child's parents? I sure has hell have never seen that one...

[beet1e]

Originally posted by lazs2
and.... all this gun violence and still.... our homicide rate goes down.

...and I'll wager that the US homicide rate never gets as low as that of Britain.

[AKS\/\/ulfe]

Originally posted by Toad
You may pretend you think "all life is sacred" but it's BS.

I never understood how people could say all life is sacred with a straight face and a clear conscience.

Ever seen that video of that tourist that got assaulted by four or five gang members, no guns Beetle - sorry, because he wandered into their territory? The bullets used to put those mother****ers down are more precious/sacred than their lives.
-SW

[gofaster]

If you saw two cops being assaulted by a cocaine-crazed 350 pound black man, and you had a gun in one hand and a cell phone in the other, would you shoot the perp with the gun or would you call the local news station and get the scoop?

[Curval]

Toad...I don't want to re-open THAT particular can of worms.  My point was merely that I have read article upon article about how citizens owning guns have saved lives.  Here we have one, again, in which a life was taken.

How did gun ownership help the woman shot by this killer?

Answer..it didn't.

That is all.

[Mini D]

None curval, it's the price that's payed for the right to own guns.  But when people try to argue that there's absolutely no reason to own a gun, the "guns save lives" articles actually hold some relevance.

We had a similar incident in Oregon when I was growing up.  Someone was throwing bricks off of overpasses and hitting cars.  They hit a little girl in the face with one nearly killing her.  I tried to lobby that it was the presence of bricks in our society that drove this person to lob them off the overpass but nobody would listen.

I'm hoping the media hops on this and shows just how awfull this type of crime is and just how much media coverage they'll give it if you yourself decide to "give it a shot".  That's the only way scenes like this can be exploited... er... I mean prmoted... er... wait... "communicated" to the public.

MiniD

[miko2d]

Toad: Attack my family with deadly force and you can be one of them.

 You are too kind. Anyone who even seems like threatening my family with force is likely to get a half a second time to stop and raise his hands before having his brains blown away.

beet1e: ...and I'll wager that the US homicide rate never gets as low as that of Britain.

 Among white people only or at least adjucted for racial composition or do you insist on raw numbers?

 miko