Another Interstate sniper on the loose

[Toad]

Well, I asked him but he was unable to comment. Kate however, replied strongly in the affirmative.

[Kirin]

Once they were outside, Justin Michael Getz came screaming toward the wheelchair-bound woman and her family, firing two handguns at them.

Now that's a good example! So those people were only lucky not to be hit by the gun blazing maniac! Could have been the other way round easily. Hey - the crazy bastard had two handguns - so maybe you need a law to force everybody to hold three of em?

[wrag]

Hmm... brings to mind some interesting thoughts....

Why do they wanna catch the sniper?  Hey come on think about it!

If the enough of the people are afraid enough the people in control can more easily create some pretty Draconian laws....  Laws which they can use to control everything and everyone.

Didn't Hitler use similar tactics to obtain the control he wanted?

Have any of you ever really looked at the Patriot act?  Which is already being employed against criminals that are not terrorist and don't even come close to being terrorist.  

Have you seen reports of what the IRS is doing with it?  Under the wording of "practice cases"?

This by the way is same Patriot act that we were promised when it was passed would only be used against terrorist.

How about the Matrix thing they were workin on?

Create FEAR!  Use that FEAR!  If the people become fearful enough you can rule them easier!

Hmmm  IMHO it kinda sounds like terrorism don't it?

[lazs2]

well.. this board is a microcosm of what is happening.    we have 300 million or so people here... couple of times a year one or two  of our more insane citizens gets a gun and does some high profile damage.... it doesn't change the homicide rate in the country but.... it gets all the media attention that hitler would have hoped for, for his ban.  No way anyone can say that the gun caused or even made the crime worse...

then... on this board, dozens of incents per month of guns ending crime but.... the only real media attention are small newspaper articles... crime goes down because of guns.. it is a given to anyone who can look at the data with an open mind...   But.... no media attention... no "credit where credit is due"...  

Also... the reason that the gun ban nazis are having such a hard time convincing the U.S. barbarians to give up their guns is...  probly a hundred people who read this board have used guns to stop crime and/or defend themselves or someone else.   never gonna convince those folks that they should turn in thier guns....  plus.... we have a healthy distrust of our government here... well... the men here anyway..

you guys gave up your rights for nothing... this "sniper" would just roll a rock onto your car or throw a brick.

Bet out white homicide rate ends up pretty close to englands it's allready the same as canadas...  we have 34 states, and growing, with right to carry laws and homicide and crime continue to go down.

but... if you live on a tiny little island i guess you see things different.

lazs

[gofaster]

A woman shot and injured a gunman in her yard early one Sunday, cutting short his assault on her and her children. Jaquie Creazzo and her three daughters were forced to flee their home after smoke from a car fire billowed into the house. Once they were outside, Justin Michael Getz came screaming toward the wheelchair-bound woman and her family, firing two handguns at them.

It must really suck to have your car burn, your house smoked out, and then have your lives threatened by a crazed gunman while you're gasping for air out on your front lawn. And she's in a wheelchair.  I wonder if her nickname is "Lucky".

[lazs2]

they didn't say it was her car.   in some democrat areas, car fires are the norm.
lazs

[AKIron]

Originally posted by SaburoS
Even if we brought out a certain death penealty w/o appeals, these animals will still murder. They don't fear the punishment, they fear the getting caught part. They most always think they'll get away with the crime.

Could it be they don't fear the punishment because the punishment isn't fearsome? I bet I could come up with  punishment that anyone would fear, and greatly so. Still, no arguing some would believe they could get away with murder but a severe enough punishment would no doubt deter others.

[beet1e]

Originally posted by lazs2
Bet out white homicide rate ends up pretty close to englands it's allready the same as canadas...  we have 34 states, and growing, with right to carry laws and homicide and crime continue to go down.

but... if you live on a tiny little island i guess you see things different.

I'm beginning to think of America as the "tiny little island" in these debates. Indeed, the land area of the US including Alaska represents less than 2% of the earth's surface area. And the central theme of these debates is that Americans are happy with their status quo regarding firearms and the price to be paid for having them, and the rest of the world is happy with its status quo as unarmed countries, and the much lower firearms related homicide tally we enjoy as a result.

It has been said that "British crime is skyrocketing" while "US crime goes down". This statement varies between misleading and erroneous. Our firearms related gomicide rate is so minute compared with that of America that the smallest year on year fluctuation could be made to look like a "skyrocketing increase". And even if America's crime rate were to be falling (which it isn't) America would still have by far the highest homicide rate in the civilised western world.

Folks say that crime in America is going down. Fact is that the total number of homicides has remained static over the last five years, while the number of firearms related homicides has gone up every year since 1999. You would know this if you had checked the FBI links provided by Nashwan, as I did.

[Rude]

Originally posted by miko2d
Curval: How did gun ownership help the woman shot by this killer?

 Life is full of inhherent risks. Trying to minimise them without thinking is likely to just shift them around and increase them. Feel-good knee-jerk reaction or purely political jestis usually the worst one to make.



 miko

SHACK!!!

[GtoRA2]

gofaster
 It would really suck to have your car set on fire and your house attacked only to be outside in your wheel chair with no gun with that criminal who would have the guns no mater what the laws says comes for you.

I would rather not have to wait for the cops, and if she had to, she and her kids would have been dead.

That gun saved her life and the lives of her children.

This guy could have easily killed her, with his hands if she had not had it.

[gofaster]

One more incident to add to the list of shootings.  They're going to catch the perp(s) eventually, but when?

About the lady in the wheelchair, did she or did she not call the police?

Also, I found this piece about a Jacqui Creazzo in Colorado.  Another site confirmed that this is why she was in that wheelchair.

In 1994, Harlan kidnapped, raped, sodomized, tortured, and murdered Rhonda Maloney (25), a cocktail waitress. One night when she was travelling home from work, Ms. Maloney's car broke down in a snowstorm. Harlan stopped and raped her. She escaped and flagged down a passing motorist, Jaquie Creazzo (32). Ms. Creazzo tried driving Ms. Maloney to safety. Harlan chased the two women down the interstate, firing repeatedly into Ms. Creazzo's car. The chase ended on the lawn of the Thornton Police Department when Ms. Creazzo could no longer keep driving after having been hit by several of Harlan's bullets. Harlan re-kidnapped Ms. Maloney, beat her savagely, murdered her, and dumped her body under a bridge. Ms. Creazzo survived permanently paralyzed.

[lazs2]

uh beetle.... you might have noticed if you looked that the population of the U.S. has gone up a tasd since 1998... people tend to come here and stay here and have babies.    that doesn't even count illegals..

The rate per capita has gone down and continues to do so.

the island comment has to do with borders..  you don't have any... islands don't have any..   even worse... curvals island is smaller than some theme parks and about as relevant so far as having an opinion on what should be the law in a real country.

lazs

[GtoRA2]

gofaster
 Do you really think Criminals will be stopped from having guns by more gun laws or a guns ban?


Did you notice the car stopped on the police station lawn? The guy STILL took the women from the car in front of a Police station?

If either women had had a gun things may have ended different.

[Kirin]

Originally posted by GtoRA2
That gun saved her life and the lives of her children.

This guy could have easily killed her, with his hands if she had not had it. [/B]

BS! Didn't it say the firefighters also were dodging the bullets? I bet two of those hero type guys could have stopped an unarmed maniac. A gun, yet better two of that kind, put here life at danger. That noone else got hurt was pure luck. One should be happy that maniac was not as gun-nut as some guys are here...

[beet1e]

Originally posted by lazs2
uh beetle.... you might have noticed if you looked that the population of the U.S. has gone up a tasd since 1998... people tend to come here and stay here and have babies.    that doesn't even count illegals..

You would have been more correct to say that the population had increased at a greater rate than crime. But to say that crime has gone down with regard to homicides is patently false. Firearms related homicides have gone up every year since 1999.