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Offline EDO43

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« on: December 05, 2003, 03:14:05 PM »
To all the friends I've made, as well as those who don't care for me, or who just don't care what follows is my opinion and only mine.... After more than 3 years playing this online game, I am thinking about leaving.  Not that this is any great loss to HTC or the community but I'd like to express the reasons as to why I may leave.  Some of you may be thinking this as well.  I know from reading past posts that others have.  The reason is twofold.  One, the constant BS, not only on Ch1, but other channels as well, is just getting me down.  Seems ya can’t go five minutes w/out someone accusing someone of “BS! That shouldn’t have happened!” implying that the person was cheating.  Things being what they are, there's no such thing as a perfect situation.  These people probably don't cheat, ***** happens is all.  There's no sense of community left.  I do see the occasional " good kill on me" but by far it's not.  All the flames and other garbage that goes on in the MA is extremely demoralizing to me.  Smack talk is inevitable in any MMOG but it's gotten way outta hand.  I am guilty of doing it myself.  Another factor of why I may leave... I'm not like that, being in that kind of environment is what does it to me.  

If there were an actual military fighter squadron flying here, they’d be untouchable. Any one of the three sides, if organized similar to the military would be as well.  This will NEVER happen in a game where people insist on doing their own thing and everyone is equal and free to do as they please.  Such is the nature of pay per play online gaming.  This aggravates me to no end.  Everyone wants  to win but in order to do that, ya gotta be enmasse.  Strategy, planning and tactics mean absolutely nothing any longer.  Before the demise of AW, this game was unbeatable for playability, and etiquette.  Some of you weren’t around back then but those who were, can testify that AH was a different world entirely.  

Secondly, the moderator/HTC censorship issue is still lurking in the back of my mind.  Recently, CrzHrs posted on the HTC bulletin boards about this subject and I still don’t know the outcome of that.  Those that have been “moderated” for trivial offenses, like myself, Anton and a few others…No Bodhi, they had legitimate reasons for moderating you ya foul mouthed SOB…LOL, know that something is amiss here.  Even though they retort that the HTC arena is a private forum, and the first amendment doesn’t apply; I still feel that if I’m paying for a service, I should have access to know exactly what types of violations that will cause someone to be moderated/muted/banned.   It just doesn’t seem to have any kind of consistency in application.  I'd like to know that if I type certain words or phrases, I will be first warned, then muted if I do it again.  I've seen some topics of discussion go way to far with no limit on one side but ten minutes later, up pops someone who responded with "I just got fluff'n muted for saying.." from the other end of the discussion.  I personally got moderated (not muted mind you) for calling someone an idiot.  That’s all, an idiot.  No other adjectives were used or implied.  I've seen HT post about host side language filters and even though there are several clever ways around it, it is a great idea.  Moderators must be, by virtue of being human, subjective.  But, shouldn't moderators moderate and not play?  HT in one post states that by implementing filters  that he's trying to change the atmosphere of gameplay.  That's a good thing in and of itself.  Tempers flare when national, politcal, sexual, racial, ethnic issues are hit upon.  I think that the moderators should moderate the topics of discussion in addition to individual offenses.  That, in my opinion, will change the atmosphere of gameplay.  Smak talk is part of the game and although it is, it should be held at an lower level than it is at this time.  Again, I admit doing this and although I try hard to stay away from it, it gets the better of me sometimes.  

When was the last time you saw HT himself online in blue or even online for that matter?  I play regularly and I can't remember the last time I saw any of the HTC staff online in blue or otherwize.   In my opinion, I think the folks at HTC have all but forgotten the people that pay their salaries and pay for their toys…i.e: homebuilt airplanes and such.  My $14.95 won't mean that much and I'm quite sure that HTC couldn't care less, I just need to vent.  $14.95 won't even buy a spark plug for the engine in an RV8 I don't think.  I've watched this game grow and become "overgrown" if you will.  There are people from all over the world who play this game and for the most part I enjoy the experience right along with them.  Something drastic needs to done with respect to gameplay, equity of censorship, and  implementation of standards for said censorship.

Here endth the last whine and testament of a potentially "out the door" AH veteran.

Flame on McDuff!  I can hear the lighters flicking now......
« Last Edit: December 05, 2003, 03:28:44 PM by EDO43 »
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« Reply #1 on: December 05, 2003, 03:24:12 PM »
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When was the last time you saw HT himself online in blue or even online for that matter?  I play regularly and I can't remember the last time I saw any of the HTC staff online in blue or otherwize.   In my opinion, I think the folks at HTC have all but forgotten the people that pay their salaries and pay for their toys…i.e: homebuilt airplanes and such.  My $14.95 won't mean that much and I'm quite sure that HTC couldn't care less, I just need to vent.  $14.95 won't even buy a spark plug for the engine in an RV8 I don't think.  I've watched this game grow and become "overgrown" if you will.  There are people from all over the world who play this game and for the most part I enjoy the experience right along with them.  Something drastic needs to done with respect to gameplay, equity of censorship, and  implementation of standards for said censorship.


....and here's the answer you've been looking for from an O-Club thread:

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If you showed a painting to 10 different people, you would probably get 10 different opinions on the work. All due to the different perspectives people chose to view things from.

If you asked those 10 people what could be done to make the painting better, you probably would get 10 different answers, all from varying perspectives.

What makes one thing better to one person makes it worse for another.

Show a partially completed painting to those 10 people and some would say, "Nice when it will be done", others might say, "It's crap and it will always be crap", while others muse, "When are we going to find out more about it?" Perspectives are interesting.

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« Reply #2 on: December 05, 2003, 03:31:14 PM »
Point taken but I wasn't really looking for an answer....I was just stating my opinions.

but thank you for your input.

Sincerely.
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« Reply #3 on: December 05, 2003, 03:32:11 PM »
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Something drastic needs to done with respect to gameplay,


Hmm.. do you have any suggestions?  

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« Reply #4 on: December 05, 2003, 03:35:11 PM »
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Hmm.. do you have any suggestions?  
What is your in game name?


Maybe if they implemented some type of Mission Arena, which focused on flying and completing missions throughout a virtual career? That might be cool.

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« Reply #5 on: December 05, 2003, 03:35:39 PM »
I would like to see success depend more upon degradation of an enemy's ability to make war as well as the ability to tactically destroy his means to make war...i.e porkin fields and overwhelming numbers.  Since this is primarily an air combat simulation, priority should remain where it is, on the aircraft.

Thankyou for your reply
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« Reply #6 on: December 05, 2003, 03:42:37 PM »
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I would like to see success depend more upon degradation of an enemy's ability to make war as well as his ability to tactically destroy his means to make war...i.e porkin fields and overwhelming numbers...


So you don't want to fight anyone?  You want to overwelm an enemy unable to fight back?

I don't see how you can NOT love the current MA mentality, with this attitude.

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« Reply #7 on: December 05, 2003, 03:43:29 PM »
Drop the 43 and that's my online gameplay name.
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« Reply #8 on: December 05, 2003, 03:51:00 PM »
Furious, isn't that how real war is waged?  Destroy the enemy's ability to make war?  Furballs outside a base don't win wars.  There's gotta be more to it than just en masses raids taking bases until the last one.   Maybe I'm trying to implement real time strategy somewhere it doesn't belong.  

The fight comes in trying to carry out the doctrine against an opponent.

Thank you for your reply....
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« Reply #9 on: December 05, 2003, 04:34:06 PM »
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« Reply #10 on: December 05, 2003, 04:46:10 PM »
EDO...

The first part of your post seems like simple burnout. I get to that place regularly :). For me, taking a week or two off seems to help.

As for the moderators, I have been fortunate enough to not get muted (yet :)). I do understand what you are talking about when it comes to the "rules of the road" for AH. I asked HT about that issue a few months ago (I was suggesting that some basic guidelines be posted). He told me that if he did that, he could be opening himself up to possible legal action (in today's letigious society, I can see his point). His 'answer' was...if you are asked to stop doing something...do so...if you feel you have been treated unfairly...contact HTC.

Overall, my considered opinion would be for you to take some time away from the game. I would be willing to bet you could come back and have some fun again. Either way...good luck to you :).
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« Reply #11 on: December 05, 2003, 04:48:32 PM »
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When was the last time you saw HT himself online in blue or even online for that matter?  I play regularly and I can't remember the last time I saw any of the HTC staff online in blue or otherwize.

HT has been in the AH2 Beta Online a lot.  Just because you don't see us, doesn't mean we're not there.  Also, consider that we have been working on this game 8 or more hours a day for 5 years now.  HT rarely takes a day off.  If that's not dedication, I don't know what is.  For me, the last thing I want to do when I get off work is jump into the game because for us it's basically work when we play due to customer questions/realations/moderating/etc.  That being said, I still do play occasionally, just under a psuedonym. ;)
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In my opinion, I think the folks at HTC have all but forgotten the people that pay their salaries and pay for their toys…i.e: homebuilt airplanes and such. ....

EDO43, if you think any of us at HTC are rich, you are quite mistaken.  No one is living in luxury here.  I work paycheck to paycheck.  There is nothing glamorious about it.  We work hard and play hard.  By the way, there is such a thing as a savings account and bank loans. ;)
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« Reply #12 on: December 05, 2003, 05:18:22 PM »
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EDO43, if you think any of us at HTC are rich, you are quite mistaken.  No one is living in luxury here.  I work paycheck to paycheck.  There is nothing glamorious about it.  We work hard and play hard.  By the way, there is such a thing as a savings account and bank loans. ;)


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« Reply #13 on: December 05, 2003, 05:28:09 PM »
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HT has been in the AH2 Beta Online a lot.  Just because you don't see us, doesn't mean we're not there.  Also, consider that we have been working on this game 8 or more hours a day for 5 years now.  HT rarely takes a day off.  If that's not dedication, I don't know what is.  For me, the last thing I want to do when I get off work is jump into the game because for us it's basically work when we play due to customer questions/realations/moderating/etc.  That being said, I still do play occasionally, just under a psuedonym. ;)
 
EDO43, if you think any of us at HTC are rich, you are quite mistaken.  No one is living in luxury here.  I work paycheck to paycheck.  There is nothing glamorious about it.  We work hard and play hard.  By the way, there is such a thing as a savings account and bank loans. ;)



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« Reply #14 on: December 05, 2003, 05:44:31 PM »
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Furious, isn't that how real war is waged?  Destroy the enemy's ability to make war?  Furballs outside a base don't win wars...


Should HTC have an autodailer to call to tell us not to bother to login when another team has destroyed your team's "ability to fight"?

I think HT understands that no matter how "superior" (whether that means numbers or stategic geniuses) one team is compared to another, the little guy always needs to have the ability to fight back.