Author Topic: Ref "the Lazs MA strat idea" - oh to one of the "talented" few .... (Read 11522 times)

lazs2 · « **Reply #195 on:** December 17, 2003, 08:09:38 AM »

If I do decide to start lying deja/mini di... I hope I do a better job of it than you do. Naa... probly better to get caught. look how much it improved your attitude.

lazs

mold · « **Reply #196 on:** December 17, 2003, 09:03:39 AM »

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Originally posted by beet1e
Mold - read this post which was one of mine about initial observations of gameplay on the QWW map.

I took a look at this thread beet1e, but although I saw the comments on the vultchfests, I still cannot see why it is less fun to play a strategy game on Fester's map. If Festerma is truly less fun for strat then I agree that fair is fair and a rotation of maps is good. But I don't see why it isn't fun for strat.

I can say for sure that closer fields are more fun for a2a (furballing or e-fighting or even BnZing). When the a2a fight is "won" by one side or the other, then it turns into a vultchfest and of course there's not much fun in that either way. But in that case it is simple enough to go elsewhere and there'll be another fight.

Rude · « **Reply #197 on:** December 17, 2003, 11:02:04 AM »

Deja...I don't think you're very nice.

beet1e · « **Reply #198 on:** December 17, 2003, 11:07:16 AM »

Mold, fair comment. And admittedly, I haven't put that much time into QWW. The last time it came around, it got reset after about three days and we didn't see it again in its assigned week. Yes, closer fields might be good for a2a if that's all you're looking for. But that's about all you'll get. Vulcherama. Wlfgng did some of his own research just over a year ago, and his findings matched my predictions for a fields-close-together map. His remarks were so concise and to the point that I've included them in my sig. Read that (pink text) and then read Skuzzy's comments (purple text) immediately afterwards, and you'll realise that there's an agenda at work. And that's why I personally do not wish to see the remaining maps "Festerised".

mars01 · « **Reply #199 on:** December 17, 2003, 11:14:56 AM »

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Originally posted by:jogi
Lazs, you need to restrain this mars guy.

I sorta started to understand the "furball community" (lol, sorry).
I thought it was dumb to only want one part of the game and whine about all the others who play the other parts. Now I do have some understanding eventhough I don't agree.

mars is our alibi to just smile at the wonderful "furball community".

Why, all I am saying is bring maps back that allow furballs. I am not asking to limit or remove strat, as the furballs have been eliminated on maps like PIZZA CRAP.

As for the attacks - Your boy Jackal opens his mouth and says nothing, just antagonizes. I respond in kind and you dont like it. You cant have it both ways jogi. Either put a leash on your boy Jack, which I think would be a shame since once in a while he is actually funny. You jump in, in the middle, obviously have no idea whats going on or whats been said, then you spew like you have been here the whole time. Go back and read all the threads maybe you will see the error of your ways. MAYBE.

mars01 · « **Reply #200 on:** December 17, 2003, 11:22:54 AM »

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Mold, fair comment. And admittedly, I haven't put that much time into QWW. The last time it came around, it got reset after about three days and we didn't see it again in its assigned week. Yes, closer fields might be good for a2a if that's all you're looking for. But that's about all you'll get. Vulcherama.

That’s amazing, so you barely play the map and then you formulate opinions based on what, your agenda. How can you sit there and bash the map, say it sucks for strat when you really haven’t even played the thing. Talk about being biased

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Wlfgng did some of his own research just over a year ago, and his findings matched my predictions for a fields-close-together map. His remarks were so concise and to the point that I've included them in my sig. Read that (pink text) and then read Skuzzy's comments (purple text) immediately afterwards, and you'll realize that there's an agenda at work. And that's why I personally do not wish to see the remaining maps "Festerised".

What research, based on what - his offline play. Are you kidding me. Yeah take some research, who cares what it is or how it was done and since it backs your opinion rely on it like gold. Cmon beet, I thought you were better than that. Forget the research and try the real thing next time Festers map is up. If you have an honest open mind, and you forget about your agenda, maybe you too will see the error of your ways.

Jackal1 · « **Reply #201 on:** December 17, 2003, 11:26:01 AM »

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Originally posted by mars01
Why, all I am saying is bring maps back that allow furballs. I am not asking to limit or remove strat, as the furballs have been eliminated on maps like PIZZA CRAP.

As for the attacks - Your boy Jackal opens his mouth and says nothing, just antagonizes. I respond in kind and you dont like it. You cant have it both ways jogi. Either put a leash on your boy Jack, which I think would be a shame since once in a while he is actually funny. You jump in, in the middle, obviously have no idea whats going on or whats been said, then you spew like you have been here the whole time. Go back and read all the threads maybe you will see the error of your ways. MAYBE.

Nerves actin up again on ya , are they?

Flustered I believe is the word you used.

mars01 · « **Reply #202 on:** December 17, 2003, 11:59:47 AM »

No not at all. Like I said earlier you guys are easy to handle. I dont get flustered on these BBs. You guys really dont put up that much of a fight to get flustered about. Most of what you are throwing is just BS to try to get someone all worked up. I'm looking for a dialog where people actually have a point. Since you guys rarely have one, I just gloss over you.

I responded to jogi, thinking he isnt like you and may have a point, so far not true. You guys are squaddies.

Jackal1 · « **Reply #203 on:** December 17, 2003, 12:29:40 PM »

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You guys are squaddies.

Brilliant! Was it the avatars that gave it away for ya?

What was your first hint?

Uranus, your self control is astounding. Since, in your words, you know how to handle the likes of us , whatever happened to that little, whimsical, fairy tale of an idea of yours that you posted that you wasn`t going to respond to my posts anymore? Hmmmmmmmm?

Get a grip Ironman. You can do it.

beet1e · « **Reply #204 on:** December 17, 2003, 12:45:47 PM »

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Originally posted by mars01
That’s amazing, so you barely play the map and then you formulate opinions based on what, your agenda. How can you sit there and bash the map, say it sucks for strat when you really haven’t even played the thing. Talk about being biased

I haven't played it much, but according to MiniD, I've probably played it more than Lazs has. And he is talking about it as if he's just found the pot of gold at the end of a rainbow. But I don't see you accuse him of being biased. No, no, that would not suit your agenda.

I haven't bashed the QWW map, but I've made observations about the gameplay on it. Indeed, if there were to be some sort of TOD-style mission control then it might even be good for strat. Instead, we have continuous LA7 conveyor belting, suiciding and re-uppage. Big freaking surprise there.

But that's fine. Do what you want with the QWW map. Make the fields overlap for all I care, and that's fine. You've also got fields close together on children's maps - Festerise those too, I really don't care - as long as we can have maps like Pizza and Big Isles where those of us who prefer the fields to be more widely spaced can find the gameplay we want.

I don't think that's asking too much.

But then again some people want everything their own way all the time.

Toad · « **Reply #205 on:** December 17, 2003, 12:55:58 PM »

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Originally posted by beet1e
where those of us who prefer the fields to be more widely spaced can find the gameplay we want.

I don't think that's asking too much.

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But you think it's asking way too much if anyone suggests that the fuel resupply imbalance be fixed so that early war planes can have some useful flying time on a big map.

BTW, your type of gameplay is available on every map. All the same "strat" is there and there's even more opportunity for cherrypicking no-risk flying on Fester for those with incredible amounts of patience.

mold · « **Reply #206 on:** December 17, 2003, 12:59:36 PM »

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Yes, closer fields might be good for a2a if that's all you're looking for. But that's about all you'll get. Vulcherama.

Well, to be reasonable, vultch is to a2a as pork-auger is to strat.

Not all a2a is vultch, and vultch is not all you get with close fields. You are probably right that most fights arising on maps with close fields end up as vultches, but there is a lot of fun to be had before that point.

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Originally posted by beet1e
Wlfgng did some of his own research just over a year ago, and his findings matched my predictions for a fields-close-together map. His remarks were so concise and to the point that I've included them in my sig.

Now that I think about it, I do see the point you made earlier in the thread. I think I see what you are saying about close fields--that taking a field does not represent a territorial gain in a strategic sense because one field is as good as another location-wise. Thus taking fields becomes an entirely tactical question, and taking a field does not alter the strategic balance in any way. OK, point taken and I think I understand now.

mars01 · « **Reply #207 on:** December 17, 2003, 01:10:34 PM »

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Thus taking fields becomes an entirely tactical question, and taking a field does not alter the strategic balance in any way. OK, point taken and I think I understand now.

You hit the nail on the head mold, Bulzeye. Yes I agree, fester lessens the impact one field has on an area. So to really make an impact as a strat guy you have to take more than one field or take a more startegic field. They cnt spoil the sector as easily.

Ok, beetle I agree you have your maps we have ours. You can strat on every map in the rotation. We can't furball on PIZZA CRAP. Big Isle is bareable and has some good furballs as long as the islands in the middle are not completely owned by one country. I think if they mad PIZZA CRAP so that some of the fields were closer togerther, to promote the existance of furballs, this map would be better recieved. for a good dialog over the past several days. At least you have something to say

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BTW, your type of gameplay is available on every map. All the same "strat" is there and there's even more opportunity for cherrypicking no-risk flying on Fester for those with incredible amounts of patience.

exactly!

mars01 · « **Reply #208 on:** December 17, 2003, 01:15:35 PM »

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whatever happened to that little, whimsical, fairy tale of an idea of yours that you posted that you wasn`t going to respond to my posts anymore? Hmmmmmmmm?

LOL your a gem jack. I hope I run into you at a CON if your mom will let you go.

Some of your posts are so tempting, I admit I cant hold back slamming you. Like I said it's too easy.

Jackal1 · « **Reply #209 on:** December 17, 2003, 01:22:35 PM »

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LOL your a gem jack. I hope I run into you at a CON if your mom will let you go.

Some of your posts are so tempting, I admit I cant hold back slamming you. Like I said it's too easy.

Self control seems to be a bit lacking, but I understand your frustaion, it`s all too clear.
Run into me at the CON? Is run here the key word?
Mom`s 78, doesn`t really have a lot to say in the dos or don`ts department. She does like to travel with me though. Hell, I`ll hit her up about the CON. I gotta warn you though to not gamble with her. She`s a killer at the crap table.
As far as the slamming.......... I believe if you will take better notice you will see what your "slamming" is your head into the old proverbial brick wall. Couldn`t hurt nothing though, so continue please.