Ref "the Lazs MA strat idea" - oh to one of the "talented" few ....

[Toad]

Originally posted by Jackal1
 That`s what the map promotes. It encourages new players to come in and not learn for 2 weeks, just dweeb horde then go on to play online monopoly or  read the latest on Britney.com.
 

If that's true, it makes it no different in that respect than any other big map.

You get the same behaviors on all maps.

[Jackal1]

Originally posted by Toad
If that's true, it makes it no different in that respect than any other big map
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 Phhhhttttttttttttttt! Even Orville and Wilbur couldn`t make that fly.
   That dog won`t hunt bud.

[beet1e]

Jackal - great posts. I think we ought to run up the BS flag for our friend, Mr. Toad.



Mold - read this post which was one of mine about initial observations of gameplay on the QWW map.

Quotes from that thread -

* I admit I vulch, and I do it well.

* lots of good vulches!

* Good flights, plus good vulching

* it just seems to be mass vulch and roll to the next base sessions.

* Mob mentality is taken to the nth degree on this map.

* I've never seen so many low bomber dweebs as came out of A21 to hit A2 and later the other Knight bases to the east. No aiming, let alone calibration, they just dropped into the dirt with the fighters and car bombed the fields. It was crap and they were easily killed.

* Supreme excellence consists of a good vulch.

* He's right, it is a huge vulch fest but I had fun doing so. Im afraid it may wear off soon if you play enough.

* Gotta say though the Quake style furballing thing gets old pretty quickly for me and this map seem to encourage it even more than the others

[Jackal1]

[mold]

Thanks for the link Beet1e, I will take a look at it.

In the meantime, I have an idea for solving the pork-auger problem.  Perking bombs doesn't seem like the right way to go about this--it's like perking bullets in a fighter.  Furthermore, I don't think it would solve the problem--people would still pork/auger with bullets, and even with bombs if they don't care about "the next time".

But here's another idea: how about making it so that, if the plane that dropped the bombs dies within 1 minute (adjustable of course) of the bomb drop, all damage from their bombs is negated?  In fact this could be applied to any type of ground damage from a plane, including bullets--so it could take care of suicide de-ackers as well!  Also this would automatically take care of dive-lancs and noe-forts.  It wouldn't take care of ackstars, but that is a type of dweebery I haven't seen at all yet in AH (don't know if I should be surprised at that ).

[lazs2]

yep... if you look hard enough you might find  1 20th as many anti fester map post as you will find anti pizza or big isles...

face it... you guys want the big maps with far fields cause you can't cut it.   Even with the fastest planes you can't cut it.. you need more of an advantage...  closer fields take a tiny bit of your advantage away.

lazs

[Mini D]

How would you know lazs... you've played fester's map... what... 2 times?

The same people have been bashing the AK map for so long that it's just become accepted.  Somehow, even "big-isles" is deemed better by some doing all the bashing simply because they know they are supposed to hate the AK map.  Now, people that haven't even played fester's map are supporting it and touting it as better than the AK map.

You ever wonder why I use the term "liars"?

MiniD

[beet1e]

Originally posted by lazs2
face it... you guys want the big maps with far fields cause you can't cut it.   Even with the fastest planes you can't cut it..

Lazs,

Are you accusing myself and MiniD of relying on the fastest planes? What exactly are those fastest planes? Would we be talking about the P51 and LA7? Because I've just looked at my stats and MiniD's stats for this tour and last, and neither of us flies the P51 or the LA7. For the most part, Mini has flown the Hurr-2 and I've been flying the 109F4 (a 1940 plane), the 109G2 and the F6F.

I do sometimes fly the 109G10 for survivability. It is quite fast, but not as fast as the Yak-9U of which you are so fond. I take it you fly the Yak9U when winging with Apache? So... a very fast plane and help...

A little more research needed on your end? :cool:

[Jackal1]

Originally posted by lazs2
yep... if you look hard enough you might find  1 20th as many anti fester map post as you will find anti pizza or big isles...

face it... you guys want the big maps with far fields cause you can't cut it.   Even with the fastest planes you can't cut it.. you need more of an advantage...  closer fields take a tiny bit of your advantage away.

lazs

  LMAO Now where did that little gem of an idea come from?
  Got absolutely nothing to do with fast planes, slow planes, parked planes, GVs, CVs, go-karts or pogo sticks.
  It`s the dweebery the map produces.

[lazs2]

jakal.. beetle quoted people talking about festers map..  I am saying that it is at least 20 /1 more complaints for the pizza and big isles maps.   I think deja is being silly saying that people are complaining about pizza and big isles because.... well because what?  it is the cool thing to do?  No... they are frustrated and bored with the lack of action on those maps.   I have plenty of time on those maps and they are horrible most of the time.

It is possible to find action on em but it is never a given..  lots of long flights to nowehere..    I have only played festers map 3 times but there was allways a variety of fights available... the difference was huge... everyone who is honest sees it.   Hoping I will have more time to play when festers brilliant map comes up again.

Ya know..... I bet Fester could fix the pizza and big isles maps in one afternoon.

lazs

[beet1e]

Lazs - if only you could focus upon more than a subset of the game. I know you're not interested in bombers, jabo, troops, boats, ship guns, field guns, shore batteries or vehicles - you're not interested and/or are bored with MOST of the game, and certainly most of the maps. But now even your attention span in fighters seems to be fading. Try to think of the whole flight, and not just the 15 seconds of each sortie during each which you're pulling the trigger.

We don't want Fester "fixing" the other maps. One Quake-style aberration is more than enough, thank you. We know what YOU want in a map. How about giving some consideration to what the rest of us want?

Ah, I see you're basing your estimates on map popularity on BBS postings. It doesn't work like that. The BBS posters are not a representative sample of the total AH subscribership. Have you ever wondered why HTC put night back into the game despite the BBS whines? Well read this paragraph again, and I think you'll find the answer.

[Jackal1]

Originally posted by lazs2

Ya know..... I bet Fester could fix the pizza and big isles maps in one afternoon
lazs

  Fix as in  "fixed" like Lala/N1kdaddi Ma?
  That kind of "fixing" we can live without. A couple more maps "fixed" like that and the sim will be "fixed", as in "don`t exist anymore.
  The map blows chunks. It only promotes pure dweebery. That`s all it can possibly do. It`s silly and ..well childish.
  Something that`s not broken don`t need "fixing".

[Toad]

Actually, I think about half the maps in the rotation should be like FesterMA.

Until an official poll is taken of course.


Then 7 out of 10 maps in the rotation should be like FesterMA.

[Furious]

How embarassing it must be to repeatedly admit that you cannot beat nikis, spits and la7s.

[lazs2]

no one has yet explained to me how festers map stops anyone from playing any way they like.   It is apparent tho that most of the other maps ruin gameplay for a lot of players.

lazs