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Offline kappa

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« Reply #30 on: December 10, 2003, 12:46:37 PM »
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 France and Germany behaved and continue to behave as antagonists to american interests in Iraq, to allow them to bid, assuming they would bid lower, does nothing to improve your interests as an american, let alone as a taxpayer.


Seems it would benefit you us as american AND as taxpayers to me...  Seems it would benefit all sorts of world opinion, therby benefiting me as an american...  Seems like it would improve my idea of our government, therby benefiting me as a american.  Seems it could improve the situation having a 'world' represented in Iragi, therby benefitting not only Iraqis, but benefitting me as an american...  seems it could save the government money, therby benefitting me as an american... I could prolly go on.........

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« Reply #31 on: December 10, 2003, 12:47:18 PM »
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If we did, how many of those do you think would support ANYTHING our president did??


Most all actually.  

Yesterday I saw a television story about a Mexican-American gentelman who went to Iraq to "finish" the job his son had started.  To help the children of Iraq have a brighter future. HIs son died after stepping on a mine.  He showed no sense of blame towards the President, only a desire to complete what his soldier son saw as his mission.


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« Reply #32 on: December 10, 2003, 12:48:17 PM »
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How about explaining this?

Bet you dont.

Kind of ignores history now doesnt it?  I will lay odds that when it is all said and done, what we spend helping Iraq will exceed by multiples what we get back in return.

But then, that doesnt make for such dramatic sounding rhetoric as the nonsense so many spout.

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1. you were whining about france wanting to cash in...according to free market thats perfectly allright if not promoted...so them making a cash grab isnt really an issue...

2. i never said it wouldent...in fact it probably will...

3. what i DONT like about them trying to make a bid to help clean up iraq is that it wasnt there war and they have no business cleaning up after it...if they wanted to do it they could have helped you out with the invas...err liberation...

4. i like dramatic sounding nonsense...it makes me feel like a big man (because like most people on this board im just a nerd with no hope of being a "real" man...even if i do end up owning a fast cool looking car...)

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« Reply #33 on: December 10, 2003, 12:51:37 PM »
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Then they will have to deport your immigrant ass. All in the name of freedom and democracy and all...
 

Finally an idea I can get behind!  Deport his ass.

I actually have no problem with a citizen critisizing something about our government, I do it to.  But I doubt Miko is a citizen, and since NOTHING about our country seems to meet his approval, I was merely suggesting for his own happiness and peace of mind he move somewhere he would be happy.  

Its a win/win.  He's happy, and we are happy to have him gone.


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« Reply #34 on: December 10, 2003, 01:04:17 PM »
Well another prove thats gives US a go for the war, giving a blast contract to whoever supported the war. If i dont  remember wrong it was not a finacial war was it ? hmm all about the terror ehh ? :D

I can understand that the US want some money back for removing Saddam, but where in heck is the WMD`s ?.
Well for guys like Saddam it is still about 189 of those guys running countries as he did, and his the only one got hit so far why ?

Have fun guys.

you got 188 countries to go rofl :)
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« Reply #35 on: December 10, 2003, 01:06:56 PM »
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Finally an idea I can get behind!


Stop Dago.. you could be misjudged into sounding facist...

Agree with him or not, I've not seen a misguided, unsubstantiated, unbacked statment from him yet.. His economic views are dead on! He doesnt overly name call. He doesnt hijack post. He doesnt make post with babble.. If he does post, its too the point, backed up, and usually some good common sense thrown in.

Im american. I have been american all my life. I have been brainwashed (luckily recovered) by public school's history book history. All the truths that I grew up with I found out later were not ALL true.  Some were true if even just partialy. Perhaps I read miko with a different eye, but I see no ill-content against any of you, americans, from him. All I see are folks reading his 'walls of text' and then bashing him in turn... nice americans...... I'll stand down when someone shows me in context where miko has bashed america and not it's policies......

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« Reply #36 on: December 10, 2003, 01:09:29 PM »
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nobody likes carrion eaters kappa. those 'opposed' nations are vulturing above a people they cared nothing about before , didnt care about during the war ... because they profited from it... and all the sudden they 'care' because it hurts their pockets.


Maybe you should look into The Prevention of Genocide Act before you call the kettle black.:rolleyes:

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« Reply #37 on: December 10, 2003, 01:16:20 PM »
Man i hope Germany will stay away from this whole Iraqi s*** !
We are in Afghanistan, thats more then enough.

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« Reply #38 on: December 10, 2003, 01:23:55 PM »
I entirely agree with kappa about his comments on miko's postings.

I may not agree with what he says some of the time, but at least his postings are well reasoned.

Seems to me that he got the better of Dago and Dago's best response was to say that miko should be deported because he was constantly bashing the Americans.

If I were an American and only had the postings off this board to work from, I think I'd probably rate miko a more useful citizen than Dago...just my view.

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« Reply #39 on: December 10, 2003, 01:37:53 PM »
Duedel: i really dont have a problem if all the money / orders goes to allies i.e. back to the tax payers resp

 Do you abide by the same rules in your personal spending? No clothes from China, no computer chips from Taiwan? Or is it that you do not mind my money going back to allies? What tax bracket are you in? Are you seriously hit by AMT and speaking truthfully or just exercising your democratic prerogative to spend other people's money?

Duedel: The silly thing about it is the explanatory statement of Wolfowitz. He really is a moron.

 No. He is not a moron by far. Wolfowitz is a good student of Leo Strauss and Adolf Hitler where public speec-making is concerned. His speeches sound moronic to you because they are targeted towards general american audience, not literate fellows like you and me. You are just not educated enough to understand that, even though you are smart and educated enough to see the flaws in his speech.
 Read Hitler, read some stuff on/about Leo Strauss, read on the neocons, it will be much cleared to you.

vorticon: i could have sworn that cashing in was one of the main principals of the free market ideal that america is using right now...

 Free market is economic concept that cannot include coercion. Whe are talking about politics here which is all about coersion. nothing that any government does can be about free market - by definition. Free market exists only where government stays out of it.


Yeager: France and Germany behaved and continue to behave as antagonists to american interests in Iraq, to allow them to bid, assuming they would bid lower, does nothing to improve your interests as an american, let alone as a taxpayer.

 ??? We need some job done quickly and well. If a private german company can do it better and allow us to pull our troops from danger sooner, how does it hurt me?
 Does the same logic apply to buying imported goods from the same german company?


But I doubt Miko is a citizen, and since NOTHING about our country seems to meet his approval

 I am a citizen and plenty about this country meets my approval - free market, constitutional liberties, entrepreneural spirit, federalist principle of local governance, separation of government powers, religious but tolerant culture, self-determination, risk-taking and personal responcibility.

 Unfortunately every single one of those foundations of american life is being destroyed by your beloved republicrat governments. What do you suggest I should love that the government promotes? Social engineering? Racist policies? Egalitarianism? Corporate welfare? Income redistribution? Corruption of marriage and family? Subcidised breeding of the underclass? Support for tyranical foreign governments?


Dago: He's happy, and we are happy to have him gone.

 You will just have to tax Fd Ski that much more.


Dago: Miko, since I do not remember even once you saying anything positive about the USA, about life here or our government, why don't you move out?

 About USA - selective memory. I say a lot of positive about it. the most positive thing I can say about USA is that I want to preserve it like it is against USA-haters like you and the rest of republicrats that are destroying it.

 I dislike any government that is growing tyrannical.

 I could keep posting from other countries, so how would that solve your problem of reading my posts any better than ignore list could?

 Why do you arrogantly assume I came to join your political clique and downspiraling socialist culture? Why not assume that I intend to stay here and survive/prosper while your corrupt and decaying way of life desintegrates?
 The american settlers did not like the native american lifestyle and culture. So what? the natives disappeared due to suceptibility to imported deseases, alcoholism, love of cheap trinkets and general unsuitabulity of their culture to the changed conditions - and the entrepreneural newcomers are now "americans".

 It's not me who should leave. It's your ilk who will leave one way or another so that people like me will have another shot at building a free society on the ruins.

 miko

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« Reply #40 on: December 10, 2003, 01:42:09 PM »
Why bother with that "restoration" contracts, if our companies will have to pay 90% of their profits to some arse in US administration for letting them win the tender?...

Better sit down and watch that Bush-friendly contractors stealing US money while Iraqi partizans blow up oil pipelines and keep oil prices high.

Live and let live. Everyone must have his slice.
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« Reply #41 on: December 10, 2003, 01:48:45 PM »
His economic views are dead on
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I find his economic views, supported in tone by a bias towards socialist economics, distorted, unreliable and suspect.

Economics is a subject best taught by those who have achieved success in the field.
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« Reply #42 on: December 10, 2003, 01:55:20 PM »
Maybe all those countries not supporting the war on terrorism in Iraq should just pull out of Afghanistan.
Another mess gone bad and getting worse.
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« Reply #43 on: December 10, 2003, 02:18:15 PM »
Yeager: I find his economic views, supported in tone by a bias towards socialist economics, distorted, unreliable and suspect.

 Since my economic views are as anti-socialist as possible - could you please get some quotes that made you think otherwise? Seriously, I would like to know.

 I always supported complete non-interference of government into economy - no regulation, no nationalisation, no licenseing requirements for entering any occupation, no safety regulations whatsoever, no trade restrictions, no control over money issue. I believe that free market would provide better solutons for every single of those issues and said so many times.
 Unless you have a very different concept of socialism than I do (state control over ownership, production and distribution), you would have to explain yourself.

Economics is a subject best taught by those who have achieved success in the field.

 What do you mean by "success"? If that means "gained employment with the politicians and access to the mainstream media", those would be socialist neo-keynesians like Keynes, Kruger, monetarist, etc. Every serious prediction of theirs bombed.
 Price of gold went to $800 instead of dropping to $70 - contrary to their and monetarist predictions but according to Mises & co.
 Inflation was found not inversely proportional to unemployment - which is the very foundation of their theory (Phillips Curve), as stagflation period demonstrated - huge inflation and huge unemployment.

 How about "no more business cycles, new economy now" when the 1991 boom lasted unusually long - for obvious (to me, not to them) reasons?
 How about "the deficit/trade balance" does not matter, the dollar will not fall?

 If you mean those who consistently predicted and explained every single economic and social phenomena - often decades in advance, those would be Austrian school.

 It's hard for an economist to prosper careerwise in a socialist society when your theory proves unviability of socialism. Nobel prise and other credentials are decided by commeetee voting, not objective reality. Politicians hire yes-men, not opponents. Academia is socialist through and through. How would you expect any free-marketeer to gain popularity?

 I predicted stock market collapse in 1999, pulled out and bought house for cash in Spring of 2000.

 I predicted that the gold would go down and dollar drop last march - when the gold was $340, not $412.

 I posted few weeks ago on how and why to invest in foreign currencies. I bough Australian dollar at $.70, now it's $.74 and going higher.

 I said last spring that foreigners will curtail their investments in US despite growth of US economy and that came true as well.

 Does that qualify as "achieving success"?

 miko
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« Reply #44 on: December 10, 2003, 02:19:58 PM »
Ping: Maybe all those countries not supporting the war on terrorism in Iraq should just pull out of Afghanistan.

 They have already. They pulled out and are covering in Kabul while there is much less western presence in the countryside than even during Taliban times.

 miko