Author Topic: AH2 vs. Radeons (Read 3414 times)

Bullethead · « **on:** December 11, 2003, 09:48:48 PM »

The appearance of 1991 coincided with the arrival of my new Radeon 9600 Pro to replace my 3-yr old GeForce 3. I also doubled my RAM while I was at it, to 512MB. Guess what? I lost about 10fps across the board in 1991's FPS tests compared to original vidcard and memory. FPS was OK, however, and much better than 1990. I felt it was playable with most of the details on and sliders most of the way up.

Then 1992 had a bug that kept it from working on Radeons at all. Real life kept me out of 1993 and 1994. But the other day I 1995. I figured HTC had been optimizing stuff while I was gone so was expecting higher FPS, especially because all the Radeon users had been complaining earlier.

Thus, I was shocked to discover that settings that had been giving me about 50fps in 1991 now only gave me about 11fps in 1995

. The only way I could get a flyable frame rate was to turn all details and sliders all the way down. Unfortunately, this makes ships, town buildings, and other important things totally invisible beyond about d2.5k, so the game then is unplayable from a tactical perspective

Is this just me or are all Radeon users taking it in the shorts? Does AH mean "ATI Hater"?

Anybody got any suggestions?

Sarge1 · « **Reply #1 on:** December 11, 2003, 11:52:13 PM »

no most ATI,s are getting hit by FR's. they redid the gforce in one patch and left out ATI. since then i havent seen any ATI updates on the patches ever since they left it out when they did the patch 2 or 3 i think it was. So far havnt read any text notes on updates for ATI..

I always say they are getting paid by Geforce...lol not to make ati work....

there have been many posts about the ATI and when were they going to Do updates since we been hit hard on FR's.. but so far the AH2 info line from the techs havnt said anything. havnt seen anything since geforce was done alone and ati just had red boxes for text

F4i · « **Reply #2 on:** December 12, 2003, 03:22:29 AM »

I've experienced anywhere from 60 fps to 1 fps (total screen lock-up) with my ATI card in online AH2 testing -- detail & object size are yanked full right to the "Performance" side. I thought my fps sucked until I saw this thread.

Is 11 fps pretty consistent?

TBolt

wrag · « **Reply #3 on:** December 12, 2003, 05:03:09 AM »

Hmmm

Usin the Omega Drivers myself. Haven't really messed with AHII much but gettin right at 16 (fairly steady) with an ATI Radeon 9000 pro 64Mg.

oboe · « **Reply #4 on:** December 12, 2003, 06:26:20 AM »

I find this interesting because Skuzzy has several times recommended ATI cards over nVidia-based cards. I bought a 9600Pro a couple months ago in anticipation of a computer upgrade for AH2. Guess I should've waited. Lots of people are still recommending the 9600 though. If the recommendations are based on price/hardware specs, but performance is not what you'd expect - then is it a driver issue?

This is not isolated either - I semi-follow the FB and WBIII boards, and it seems to be a trend that ATI users do not get the fps that nVidia board users get.

GuyNoir · « **Reply #5 on:** December 12, 2003, 09:32:08 AM »

I hate to say it, but I'm running a geforce2 ultra and I'm consistently getting around 45-55 fps.

metronom · « **Reply #6 on:** December 12, 2003, 10:01:31 AM »

I'm running the ATI 9600 pro Sapphire with Omega drivers 3.9
Online fps about 37-60.

AMD 2600+
1GB DDR Ram
AsRock K7S8X MB with AMI Bios 1.90
Windows XP pro with SP1

Sailor

bigred · « **Reply #7 on:** December 12, 2003, 12:20:29 PM »

my AHII results:

2.4ghz
1gb ram
radeon 9600 pro
catalyst 3.9

1600x1200
32bit
AAx2
AFx8

detail sliders to full: 15-20fps
detail sliders to 1/2: 35-45fps

roughly 1/2 the framerate of AHI

Ecliptik · « **Reply #8 on:** December 12, 2003, 01:00:47 PM »

I'm getting about 30 fps with detail sliders to full performance, on only 1024x768, with a Radeon 9700 Pro, Omega drivers, 512 mb Corsair DDR333, Athlon XP2000+.

Very poor.

Seems like as the game is now, if you have a Radeon card, your CPU is the driving factor in your framerate.

Lazerus · « **Reply #9 on:** December 12, 2003, 01:21:24 PM »

Skuzzy on the 9600

Bullethead · « **Reply #10 on:** December 12, 2003, 03:14:03 PM »

Quote

Originally posted by F4i
I've experienced anywhere from 60 fps to 1 fps (total screen lock-up) with my ATI card in online AH2 testing -- detail & object size are yanked full right to the "Performance" side. I thought my fps sucked until I saw this thread.

Is 11 fps pretty consistent?

TBolt

With the sliders full right and no boxes checked except horizon (which has only about a 1fps effect anyway), I can get about 50fps offline, when it's just me and a few drones. I figure that would work in the less-populated areas online.

But like I said, this makes a bunch of important game objects completely invisible from more than about 2500 yards away. Ships, town buildings, truck convoys, etc. This makes attacking such objects rather problematic. In addition, these settings make planes look VERY funny (ie, the 51 drones appear to have a mid-wing configuration) until you close in to about d250, which makes it hard to figure how much lead to pull.

None of the checkboxes make more than a couple of FPS difference to me, but the sliders have dramatic effects. At present, there's no way to make the above objects visible at tactially useful distances without incurring so much of an FPS hit as to make the game unplayable that way. With the sliders in the middle, I can get about 20fps, and with them to the left, I get 11fps. In 1991, I was getting about 40-50fps with the sliders to the left.

F4i · « **Reply #11 on:** December 13, 2003, 02:43:45 AM »

Yea, I have the same problem with the invisible buildings & other ground objects. You're not alone.

I have no idea whether HTC is addressing the problem or not. Maybe they'll post with some useful input.

In the meantime, hang in there...it's only beta.

TBolt

Obehave · « **Reply #12 on:** December 13, 2003, 08:22:53 AM »

Yep, I've got a radeon 9800 pro and the frame rates in the beta are usually in the 40's at best. Very klunky compared to the regular AH. It says I have lots of unused video memory so maybe it's just a beta problem.....

Wilbus · « **Reply #13 on:** December 15, 2003, 10:46:36 AM »

Radeon 9700 here, got pretty bad FPS aswell, quite often bellow 20 fps. 2.4Ghz P4 with 512mb 533Mhz RDRAM.

humble · « **Reply #14 on:** December 16, 2003, 12:38:10 PM »

wow, glad I didnt go ahead and grab an ATI card last upgrade. I put a Ti4200 (128mg) in instead (just happened to be on sale...looked in one of mags and card had a great review). Anyway I'm getting 43-52 fps maxed out in AHII....so far so good. I'm suprised the ATI cards are getting hit so hard compared to the nvidia chipset cards.