I am floored. This is so wrong....

[Martlet]

Originally posted by SaburoS
So you think

Think?  It was pretty obvious.  You asked for an example, I gave you one.

[SaburoS]

Originally posted by Martlet
Think?  It was pretty obvious.  You asked for an example, I gave you one.

We'll leave it at you and I disagree. Not unusual.

Having said that, once in awhile, you'll hit on something spot on that I'll agree 100% on.

This was not one of those times.

[Cerceuilvolant]

Originally posted by Lazerus
Where's a lie???


Show me a lie, show the world a lie. You will be remembered in history. "Sandman exposes the President of the US of A"




Troller or a *******, or both.

I hope both.

Ok, just about Niger:

The most flagrant case, of course, being the yellowcake (uranium) contract, which was a forgery. I'm not sure the British have given up altogether the allegation that Iraq was trying to import yellowcake, but the contract with Niger has been shown to be a forgery. And it only took the IAEA a day or two to figure it out. And President Bush had talked about it in the State of the Union message. The first time I heard about allegations that Iraq imported yellow cake I said, 'well it's possible, we don't exclude anything.' On the other hand, to the layman, when you talk about imported uranium, ah, that's bombs.

http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1064142126875&call_pageid=1045739058633

In February 2002, Wilson was sent to Niger by the CIA, at the request of Vice President Dick Cheney, to investigate British intelligence claims that Niger had sold yellowcake uranium to Saddam Hussein. His job was to "fill in the gaps of people's understanding of the uranium business - to look at whether such a thing could happen."

Wilson says he investigated who owned and physically had the uranium, the people who would be involved in the decision to sell the substance, how it would be recorded and who would have to sign off on the uranium transfer. He concluded the allegations were "bogus and unrealistic."

"I concluded that this really could not have happened without a lot of people knowing, and without it really being very common knowledge," Wilson says. "And I came back and reported that."

Although Wilson reported it, President Bush still shared the allegations with the country in his annual State of the Union address in January. In an opinion piece in The New York Times six months later, Wilson claimed the White House had used the intelligence report to falsely push for the invasion of Iraq. The next day, the White House acknowledged the information should not have been in Bush's speech.

A week later, columnist Robert Novak revealed that Valerie Plame, Wilson's wife, was a CIA agent tracking weapons of mass destruction and had recommended Wilson for the job. The leaking of information broke a 1982 law barring the release of undercover agents' names and, Wilson said, put his wife's life at risk.

Wilson, and others, allege that his wife's identity was revealed as retribution for his public criticism of the case made for the Iraq invasion. According to a Washington Post report in late September, at least six reporters were offered the information about Plame by unnamed White House officials.

http://gainesvillesun.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20031113/LOCAL/211130331


Can't find all the articles saying that when you readed the forged document (the agreement of the niger's president to export the uranium), the UN realized that it was the name and the signature of a president that ruled this country during the 60's  The CIA is awesome

[Pongo]

So the president can say anything he likes as long as someone else told it to him.
Even if he ignored the normal intelligence channels and made up his own?

[RavenSteve]

Dont you hate liberals?

Nice men like Republicans would never do something like this!

[Airhead]

RavenSteve, I got news for ya- this is a flight sim board, not a conservtive forum. Lots of us play flight sims and are liberals also, whatever "liberal" means. Don't think you've wandered into a meeting of the John Birch society.

[Martlet]

Originally posted by Pongo
So the president can say anything he likes as long as someone else told it to him.
Even if he ignored the normal intelligence channels and made up his own?

You're just upset that cretin is gone.

[Lazerus]

Originally posted by Cerceuilvolant
Ok, just about Niger

Communication is key. Was the President made aware of the fact that this information was false before he made his state of the union address. This is unclear from the information that I have seen. If he made the statement without knowledge that it was false, then it is not a lie, just inaccurate. He can be ridiculed for having an intelligence agency and/or staff that let him have inaccurate information, but not for lying.

I would like to know myself what really happened, but in the meantime I will take the man at his word.

[lord dolf vader]

99% of your "defenses" of bushes lies (crimes really) are attacks on the messenger or diversions to another subject or source scewed to the same dogma.


just sad for grown men to cling to lies and liars. and beggs the question what is the motivation for such odd behavior.



closed head injuries indeed. george bush was a coacain addict and is a deserter from the u.s. military. there is no question at all.

[_Schadenfreude_]

Originally posted by RavenSteve
Dont you hate liberals?

Nice men like Republicans would never do something like this!

You going to hate this liberal even more when I kick your bellybutton every time you strap on a plane.

[Holden McGroin]

Originally posted by lord dolf vader
george bush was a coacain addict and is a deserter from the u.s. military. there is no question at all.

It continues to amaze me that there are those who are absolutely convinced based on highly questionable evidence.  "GW deserted because there is no record... his commanding officer does not recall..."

The book "Fortunate Son" speaks of a GWB cocaine conviction of which there is no record, and accroding to Newsmax.com,

 In a segment "Capital Gang" host Mark Shields headlined "The George W. Bush Cocaine Watch," panelists Margaret Carlson and Al Hunt continued to suggest there was something to the rumors that Bush had used the drug - more than two years after several major media investigations failed to turn up a single witness who would support the story.

Can you imagine the career making story that so many journalists have passed by?  Woodward and Bernstein would become minor league players in comparison to someone who broke and could back up this story.

No question at all huh?  To this juror, it looks like there is a complete lack of evidence to decide one way or the other.

[Ripsnort]

Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
A large portion of the population does not believe the administration.

So... What's next?

The 2004 election will determine that, not polls.

[crowMAW]

Originally posted by Holden McGroin
It continues to amaze me that there are those who are absolutely convinced based on highly questionable evidence.

If any one else had made this comment it simply would not be as completely hilarious as it is.  ROTFLOL!   Thanks Holden...I needed a good laugh.  I think I would like to put this as a quote in my sig, if you don't mind.  

I wonder why you never made a comment like that aimed at the Bush Administration when they became so convinced, based on shoddy evidence, that they started a war.

As far as Bush's drug/alcohol use...why won't he answer the question?  When asked if he ever cheated on his wife, he gives a resounding unmitigated "NO".  When asked about whether he's ever used illegal drugs, he begins to sound like Clinton asking what the definition of what "is" is.  In '94 the Houston Chronicle asked him about past use of illegal drugs and he aswered, "Maybe I did, maybe I didn't."  WTF!  When the UK paper "Scotland on Sunday" asked if he's used pot or coke before he said, "When I was young and irresponsible, I was young and irresponsible." Does this guy ever give a straight answer?

So if he wasn't a cokehead and drunkard, why not answer the questions?  If he was, why obfuscate...why doesn't he take responsibility for his past actions like a man?

[Belle]

Originally posted by Airhead
Lots of us play flight sims and are liberals also, whatever "liberal" means.

Thought I smelled some....

[Lizking]

Maybe he considers it none of your business?