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Offline Mike_2851

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« on: December 12, 2003, 08:11:46 PM »
Let me start this whine with some respect.

I appreciate all of the hard work, time and everything else that the CT Staff puts in to make us all happy in playing this game, for no pay and at times a whole lot of abuse. The issue of staff rotation or "new blood" is discussed at great length in other threads. That is not the reason for this thread-but if you all want another avenue to express your unhappiness-I can't stop you.

My big whine is about what happened last night and is a gripe about a man I have been a squadmate of and respect highly.

But Jester the map reset you did last night-I cry FOUL! :mad:

We were mid mission-in the air and SURPRISE the map was reset for reasons that I am at a loss for right now. I don't know if you care to explain or not-that is up to you.

In reflection-when we were squadmates I do remember you re-setting a map (once-I think) for valid reasons (don't remember the reason now). But before you did, on God channel you warned everyone in the arena, gave everybody time to finish what they were doing, and you explained why you were doing it. Last night-just *poof* and it was done.

Being the first to admit that I certainly do not know all and I don't see all. Jester if I am wrong in any of my observations or in what I was told-then I appologize right here right now publicly. But since everybody was taken by suprise (at least JG-3 and the Axis side) I don't believe that there was any warning or explaination.

I just think it is a courtosey(sp) and respect that all players in an arena deserve, and was not shown last night  :confused:

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« Reply #1 on: December 12, 2003, 08:21:43 PM »
I was not their so I dont know the particulars but I can say that Jester is a very competant fellow and I cant imagine that anything other than what neaded doing was done and for the right reasion. I am sry if it caused anyone any inconviance.

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« Reply #2 on: December 12, 2003, 10:33:51 PM »
Brady, if you wern't there-then you don't know-just like you said. I started my "gripe" by trying to show respect not only to a man I know but to the CT staff overall. I think Jester is a pretty stand up guy myself, and is an asset to the CT staff. But last night shocked quite a few.

And if you were not there, I fail to see what YOU are appologizing for?

My only point is that there was a map reset-why?-was it needed?-was there warning? And I guess the biggest question that most people have is-was it personal?

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« Reply #3 on: December 12, 2003, 11:28:16 PM »
Before this "Whine" gets out of hand I will lay down the FACTS.

When I logged on at 7:45 pm  CST on the 12/11/03 the Allied forces were backed up into the NE corner of the current map and in my opinion it had developed pretty much into a vulch fest. I might also add that the Axis forces had superior numbers and I have noticed from past posts on the BBS the Axis players don't like it much either when the positions are reversed.

Also for the record I DID NOT "reset" the map but only 13 FIELDS in the SW part of the map (Away from the main combat going on at that time in the CT). Only one Axis player was in the vacinity of the reset fields at the time.  I can give you the numbers if you like.

I did this not to give the Allieds an "Edge" but mearly to straighten the lines and spread the combat beyond one point on the map. There was no warning because as I said above there was only one Axis player in the vacinity. (A note here, even though I did this I noticed JG 3 still went on an captured A4 shortly after).

My main reason in moving the lines was twofold: First the line was right beside the Allied HQ in the Southeast and I am all sure we know when this is bombed that side looses radar. Second, at the pace it was going there was a good chance the Axis would reset the map, then it would be down and nobody would be playing JACK till a CT Staffer came online to reset it.

I'm afraid I don't care much for the suggestion that I was "Playing Sides" - old squaddie or not. I have moved the lines several times for both sides in the name of "Playability" and to make things fair. I have flown for both sides in the CT, bombers & fighters, USAAF, NAVY, LW & IJN so I know the concerns and problems each face. You may not like the way I do things in the CT but I always try to do the best for all that fly.
« Last Edit: December 13, 2003, 03:37:14 AM by Jester »
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« Reply #4 on: December 12, 2003, 11:53:21 PM »
Jester, My "impressions" were that you were asked last night and provided no reason or explaination. I was not one that asked so my information is second hand-at best.

For any false accusations, error in fact, or overall BS that this has caused-I appologize.

You laid it out in a manner that all understand-straight forward and to the point.

Thank you

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« Reply #5 on: December 13, 2003, 12:17:32 AM »
Sorry Jester, but your explanation just does not hold water, and here is why... You state that you only reset 13 fields in the southwest section of the map, and there was only one axis player in the vicinity. This is wrong. You also state that JG-3 went on to capture A4. WE WERE NOT EVEN IN THAT AREA UNTIL AN HOUR OR TWO LATER! SO this again, just does not wash.

JG-3 was operating out of A22 in the Northeast corner of the map and inbound to take A24, while A23 was under allied attack. After getting shot down, several of us were reupping from A22 when all of a sudden our own ack started ripping us to pieces.  There were no warning sirens and our base and town were not under attack.
Since I was just taking off to escort a goon, I had my kneeboard up and saw the entire Northeast section of the map turn from green to red. Like I say... Your explanation does not hold water.
I am also afraid that I would not have any faith in any numbers that you cared to put up.

As my old squadmate and XO, I have always had the utmost respect for you, and you know that... But this just does not fly with me, and there are a lot of us axis squadrons that are asking the big question these days... Are we playing against a stacked deck?

I also see that you are looking upon this as a "WHINE". I have given you the actual facts of what really did happen, regardless of anything you care to produce. You can come down on me like a ton of bricks, put me on probation for speaking the truth, or threaten me any other way you care to, but bottom line... I am a paying customer just like all the rest of us and I want to be treated fairly. WE ALL DO! This is much more than just a whine as you call it, but more of a demand to be treated in a fair and impartial fashion. Or is that an impossible dream in here.

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« Reply #6 on: December 13, 2003, 01:10:52 AM »
Wolf, we're not out there to piss you off. We're here to provide service to the Aces High community to the best of our abilities.

I will point out it's a known fact that the arena is reset every late Thursday night or Friday morning for the new setup.  We didn't reset the map because we wanted to throw people out of a well-organized mission.

Try to work your gameplay around the fact that we may come in unannounced and tell everyone - 10 minutes on a Thursday night or Friday morning.

I know the feeling of flying in formation and having a arena moderator come in and ruin it for all of us.   :(
« Last Edit: December 13, 2003, 01:43:01 AM by Mister Fork »
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« Reply #7 on: December 13, 2003, 01:58:56 AM »
Mister Fork<>, I have the utmost respect for you, as I do most of the CT staff. But this resetting the map had nothing to do with changing over to the new one. We were at the beginning of our normal squad time which is 9:00pm Eastern time. As long as I have been with the JG-3 squadron and flying the CT, they have never made a map change on a Thursday night, especially when a lot of the squadrons on both sides are starting their normal squad hours.

My complaint is that when Jester came into the CT, he did not like the numbers he saw, or the fact that we were in control of the area... His words are below...

 When I logged on at 7:45 pm CST on the 12/11/03 the Allied forces were backed up into the NE corner of the current map and in my opinion it had developed pretty much into a vulch fest. I might also add that the Axis forces had superior numbers and I have noticed from past posts on the BBS the Axis players don't like it much either when the positions are reversed.

Also the statement is made that we had superior forces and outnumbered the allies. Well too bad. We are outnumbered by at least 2 to 1 just about every squad night we have, and if anyone doubts that, just come in on a Tuesday or Thursday night and check the balance of power. I Challenge that statement, and to use it as an exscuse is just not fair. .:mad:

Jester also states that IN HIS OPINION IT WAS A VULCHFEST.
He may be right on that account, for as we started our squad time, the allies were vulching the hell out of A23, that is why we chose to up from A22 and attack A24, to stop the slaughter that was being dished out to A23. So once again Mister Fork, what Jester claims just does not have any creedence or salience in justifying his actions. IT WAS WRONG!:confused:

Is this game based on Jesters opinions? If so, then maybe Hitech Creations would care to give the Axis forces a 50% discount on their monthly memberships in the future... It may not make everyone happy, but at least it would be fair.

Once again Mister Fork, I am not trying to cause any problems, but am trying to help fix a problem that has been present in the CT for some time now. We get hammered with insults, called names, harassed, told we have no class, get taunted... But we are still here. Without the Axis squadrons you would all be sitting on your thumbs and starting threads in the AH BB about why there was nobody to fight anymore, or how easy it was to kill the ones who were left to play against. We are used to that treatment and can give it back as well as it is dished out to us, and still KICK YOUR ALLIED BUTTS. :rofl

The only thing we really want is an impartial treatment by the CT staff. We pay our fees like everyone else, and should all be treated as equals no matter what side we fly for. :aok

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« Reply #8 on: December 13, 2003, 02:53:44 AM »
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You also state that JG-3 went on to capture A4. WE WERE NOT EVEN IN THAT AREA UNTIL AN HOUR OR TWO LATER! SO this again, just does not wash.


(Although you may not have been in that area....) My god you are so F!@#$ funny, to set the record striaght, there where at least four Jg3 members on most of the day. I took the day off work. I decided to fly/drive some and logged on to Jg3 captureing bases and (or at least others) hitting HQ all F!@#$%^ day long.

For the whole F!@#$ week we have flown a great deal of the time with no radar.

You guys did a good job caoturing all those bases all week long but the jokes over, you have been a total pain in the bellybutton all week.....as well as the BoF...remember?

Now, in this current set-up that Brady has made, this is our map to capture but now the ack hardness has been increased along with numerous maned ack capability. The VH takes 3k to kill while the much larger (sink it and all hell is lost) CV takes a tad bit more 4k to sink.


Jester did something that Kantorri or Mr Fork should have done much earlier and Brady needs to lower ack hardness and extend down times to 30min as has been for the past week or so. :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
« Last Edit: December 13, 2003, 02:57:22 AM by LtMagee »

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« Reply #9 on: December 13, 2003, 04:18:58 AM »
Magee, you are so ignorant, but I guess that you just have to chime in so people still know you are around. The whole issue of this string is about the resetting of the map during a squad night where everyone was in the air, on a mission, and there was absolutely no warning.

Now start at the beginning like a good boy and actually try to read whats been said. You then might still get the chance of coming across like you know what you are talking about.
Nobody is talking about anything prior to this incident but you.
Please get with the program, or get out of the discussion.

You know Maggie, we all recall you doing this before, and when everybody finally got fed up with you and started putting you in your place, you wrote us your big "BYE BYE I am leaving and not coming back routine". You cut and ran as P6eHawk, only to sneak back in as LtMagee. Why do you not cut and run again, only this time stay gone. That would be a refreshing start to get the CT back in order. Dont let the propwash hit you on your way out the bombay door.

Oh my that felt so good, lol.:rofl

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« Reply #10 on: December 13, 2003, 04:28:01 AM »
You guys take this way too serious.:rolleyes:









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« Reply #11 on: December 13, 2003, 08:05:57 AM »
I've known Jester for years. One thing he would never do is cheat anybody, for any reason. I do know from past experiance that a map reset screws the pooch for the arena. If Jester thought the map was in danger of being reset , on one of the busiest nights, and lets face it Tuesday , and Thursday, are two of the busiest with the majority of CT squads flying........ A reset would have sucked for EVERYBODY, Axis, and Allied alike.

I also understand if you got momentum, and are kicking arse , somebody coming and removing some of your hard won victories would suck.

Do we want to fly or do we want to play capture the flag to the point where the arena is shut down on one of the busiest nights?
You guys that have known, and flown with Jester in JG-3. Do you really believe what your posting? Or is it possible this is just another little thing thats getting out of hand, and becoming a big thing?

JG-3, you've flown with Jester, some of you have flown with him in two different squads. Did you ever see him cheat, or do anything that wasn't honorable? Come on, think about it.

Slash is right , it's a game , and all of us are taking it too serious.

Think it over guys, Thursdays gone, and if I remember right JG-3 kicked butt again. Was this post even needed.

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« Reply #12 on: December 13, 2003, 08:50:19 AM »
Two comments on this thread and I'll shut up.

Being a GM in two other games, doing anything to the gameplay or anything that would adversly affect anyones gaming experiance without announcing it to everyone can put someone at a disadvantage.   As I have had the rules brought down on me in the past one thing was made evidently clear.  NEVER change anything, anywhere without letting EVERYONE know what your doing.  Because if someone, even one person is put at a disadvantage, that puts another person at an advantage.  The role of a moderator, GM, CM, whatever you want to call it, is to keep things fair and equal, giving no one person an advantage or disadvantage.

Second point.  Yes, this is a game, but does it feel like a game when your trying to shake someone off your 6?  Does it feel like a game when it's 5 on 1 and you are flying just to stay airborne?  Does it feel like a game when you are able to work with your friends and comrades to accomplish a goal?  A game it may be, but frivilous it is not, it is a serious game and anyone who says it's not, isn't flying to win, they're just playing another 1st person shooter.

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« Reply #13 on: December 13, 2003, 10:13:01 AM »
Yes Lowe, This post is very much needed, and yes... We do take it very serious. Just as you would if you felt you were getting the short end of the stick. Thursday night was just the last straw is all.

There have been complaints of being on the six of an allied plane and hitting them with heavy cannon fire, seeing numerous sprites, yet no damage, no smoke, and the enemy plane flies off.
This happened to me last week against a YAK. It has happened to several others as well.

In a tank, firing at another and making several hits with no smoke or damage, then one hit and my tank blows up. This is another example that many have experienced, including myself.

Town Ack coming back up after only ten minutes of downtime and killing the M-3 troop carrier is another complaint.

A-20 super bombers that are able to out turn and dogfight a much more nimble fighter plane. We see that all of the time.

Certain CT maps are changed just because an allied player whines and complains about the plainset, or some of our battle equipment winds up getting perked when at first it was free.
Arent the set-ups ready to go when they are uploaded?
Is it really neccessary to continue to make changes to planesets during the week, unless it is stated in the MOTD?

Kicking the Axis forces out of a country because you did not want us to attack there. Why was England even put on the map and given bases of operation if it were in fact not to be involved in the battle. There were enough allied bases in France to support the allied forces. Yes, I understand the historic end of it, but if you put bases on a map that can be attacked, the rest is a no brainer.

The accuracy of target hardness is questionable at times. Like some targets are set to be too hard than the standard, or at least that is how it appears.

These are all ligitimate complaints that we have seen posted in here, or have seen being discussed on the text buffer or on the radios in the CT.
Pardon my concern, but when you have enough of these so called bugs, people start to ask the questions that nobody seems to have the answers for.

So yes, quite a few of the Axis players, and not just JG-3 want answers to these questions. Nobody wants to believe that anyone on the CT staff would be low enough to cheat or pad their equipment settings in order to gain an advantage. but none of us have heard any viable explanation as to the causes of these so called bugs within the game. Quite a few in fact do beleive that the allied players are able to persuade certain CT staffers to change setups at the last minute just to shut up the whining.

The situation of this last Thursday night would have been as bad as it has become if it were handled the way it should have been, and not just changed without the courtesy of a warning, which has always been done in the past.

Jester was well aware of the fact that it was our squad time, as he was once one of our CO's.
So everyone in fact believed that it was done on purpose to knock us out of a base attack that would have stopped the allies from attacking one of our own bases. I am now sure that if Jester had it to do all over again he would have used his common sense and followed the normal procedure for such a move. But it is now too late and the axis players just want to make sure that it does not happen again.

Even if the map had been reset, there was no real concern, as we all knew that Jester was there for his own squad night, and he could have handled the reset with little or no downtime at all, as it has been done before. Just another reason why it did not have to be done the way it was. Nuff said.

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« Reply #14 on: December 13, 2003, 10:33:43 AM »
IMO A game in progress should NEVER be tampered with in any way.