Author Topic: Does Race Exist? (Read 1912 times)

miko2d · « **Reply #15 on:** December 17, 2003, 02:54:31 PM »

mrblack: People are are just people.

People are peope and races are races.

Race being a statistical concept, any statement that substantiates any assertion about a race by a reference to an individual example is meaningless. And vice versa.

Any given molecule in a piece of matter can have velocity (temperature) from 0 to X. Nevertheless none of us would have a problem readily distinguishing between a bathtub of freezing and that of boiling water - even though the molecules are exactly the same and each one has molecules moving at any speed from 0 to X and they could be easily mixed together.

No individual examination of single molecules would yield any usefull information about the nature of the whole bodies of water - only statistical analysis would reflect the reality of our dealing with them.

That is of course if we are interested in getting a bath without killing ourselves. If you need a single water molecule with a specified velocity, you are pretty good with one from either bathtub, though you may have to fish longer for a fast molecule in a cold bathtub.

Just like with people and races.

miko

mietla · « **Reply #16 on:** December 17, 2003, 03:08:35 PM »

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Originally posted by Maverick
Race absolutely exists. We have the human race, just one. The components of which simply come in a variety of shapes and colors.

PC nonsense. Equal does not mean the same.

Rude · « **Reply #17 on:** December 17, 2003, 03:20:53 PM »

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Originally posted by miko2d
Well, a chuahua and a great dane can breed and produce fertile offspring. That's why they are considered different subspecies of the same species.

That would require some artificial support, of course, but so does the breeding of some kinds of bulldogs - which have to be delivered by C-section.

One thing that is very illustrative in the example of dogs is hwo widely the breeds differ in mental abilities and character traits.

miko

lighten up a bit....sheesh

Shuckins · « **Reply #18 on:** December 17, 2003, 04:08:11 PM »

Pick up a current issue of Discover magazine. There is an article in it about mitochondrial DNA and how it is used by scientists to trace man's ancestry. There is less genetic variation in the entire human population than you would find in a large troop of chimpanzees. This indicates, the article states, that all humans are descended from a core population of people of approximately 2,000 people who lived in central Africa about 100,000 years ago.

All Europeans, Asians, and Native Americans are descended from a small group of Africans, estimated at between 150 and 200 individuals, who migrated out of Africa during the last Ice Age because of climatic changes. This event was covered very well by an excellent program broadcast, on the Discovery Channel I believe, that was entitled The Real Eve. (There may be more to the title. It seems like there as another part to it, but I cannot remember for certain.)

Regards, Shuckins

JB73 · « **Reply #19 on:** December 17, 2003, 04:25:35 PM »

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Originally posted by Shuckins
There is an article in it about mitochondrial DNA

isnt that what tells if the person is a jedi?

Saurdaukar · « **Reply #20 on:** December 17, 2003, 04:29:23 PM »

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Originally posted by lord dolf vader
yea no need to define the difference between a chuahua and a great dane.

not like they can mate or anything ones 40 times the size of the other but they are the same species.

this p.c. crap is scary. hail the party line.

there are races of man and they are different.

there are breeds of dog and they are different.

apes canines. ones touchy feely lovey when not killing his own species, one can lick his nuts.

about the only differences

Confusing as usual.. but do I actualy agree with Dolt Vader? Good God, what is the world coming to...

Of course there are different 'races' of humans - the differences are plain to the eye no matter what technical definitions you like to throw out into the argument.

The differences between PC nuts and me are equally obvious: Instead of pretending there are no differences, I believe those differences are worth embracing.

mrblack · « **Reply #21 on:** December 17, 2003, 05:27:38 PM »

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Originally posted by Shuckins
Pick up a current issue of Discover magazine. There is an article in it about mitochondrial DNA and how it is used by scientists to trace man's ancestry. There is less genetic variation in the entire human population than you would find in a large troop of chimpanzees. This indicates, the article states, that all humans are descended from a core population of people of approximately 2,000 people who lived in central Africa about 100,000 years ago.

All Europeans, Asians, and Native Americans are descended from a small group of Africans, estimated at between 150 and 200 individuals, who migrated out of Africa during the last Ice Age because of climatic changes. This event was covered very well by an excellent program broadcast, on the Discovery Channel I believe, that was entitled The Real Eve. (There may be more to the title. It seems like there as another part to it, but I cannot remember for certain.)

Regards, Shuckins

Well that clears it up we are ALL African Americans:D

mrblack · « **Reply #22 on:** December 17, 2003, 05:29:10 PM »

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Originally posted by SOB
Get in the box, Mr Black.

I think you must have ate too much glue and paste in kindergarden.
Geez LOL what a stooge:D

Pei · « **Reply #23 on:** December 17, 2003, 06:50:49 PM »

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Originally posted by mietla
Equal does not mean the same.

A very good point, which is completely missed by most of the Western world.

lord dolf vader · « **Reply #24 on:** December 17, 2003, 07:32:23 PM »

i think the sameness is ment to make equality less of a issue in the long run.

that is really what bothers me the most. all men are created equal is a stretch. all men are the same (insert races) is a crock.
when ever somone sells a crock at the truth they are almost always selling somthing they aren't showing.

Seeker · « **Reply #25 on:** December 17, 2003, 07:43:15 PM »

I think it's strange the way the most vociferous anti-racist people I know are fervent belivers of Pedigree certificates from the Kennel Club.

Is it heredity or envioroment?

miko2d · « **Reply #26 on:** December 17, 2003, 08:04:44 PM »

Saurdaukar: The differences between PC nuts and me are equally obvious: Instead of pretending there are no differences, I believe those differences are worth embracing.

That makes sense as long as you are talking about cultures, not races. Unless you have some kind of an esthetic preference for people's various appearance.

The inherent racial differences are physical and physiological while the human society is based on rational mind and reason.

Basically, our human essense lies in "software", not hardware.
I can see how we can utilise someone's physical strength or resistance to heat but those qualities are too pedestrian to use the word "embrace".

What we, normal people, mean by diversity and ready to embrace is the difference in cultures - which has only coincidental overlap with races.
Though in modern PC academia "diversity" means different ways to mispronounce English while adhering to the liberal political position.

The only biological diversity that matters for society is the "diversity" in intelligence and basic inheritable character traits like psychoticism - and I cannot see how one could embrace such diversity. It's pretty clear cut that higher intelligence and lower psychoticism are better than otherwise.

miko

miko2d · « **Reply #27 on:** December 17, 2003, 08:11:38 PM »

All Europeans, Asians, and Native Americans are descended from a small group of Africans

That is a misleading statement. It should say "All Europeans, Asians, and Native Americans and all Africans - of which there are several distinct groups - are descended from a small group of common ancestors who lived in Africa".

Those "ancestral africans" did not look anything like the most common type of africans we are used to seing - which did not exist. They may have been looking like pigmeys or khoi-san (bushmen) which are very different.

Also, recently the scientists found that in very rear cases some mitochondria may be inherited from the father - which throws a huge monkey wrench into their neat calculations regarding the "original Eve"

miko

Ozark · « **Reply #28 on:** December 17, 2003, 08:52:22 PM »

“If I pull over a minority, I feel obligated to get my quota of majorities.”

This was a quote from a police officer in our Racial Profiling class last week. Yes, race still exists.

mietla · « **Reply #29 on:** December 17, 2003, 09:15:58 PM »

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Originally posted by Ozark
“If I pull over a minority, I feel obligated to get my quota of majorities.”

This was a quote from a police officer in our Racial Profiling class last week. Yes, race still exists.

what do you mean still? It will always exist