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« Reply #1 on: December 17, 2003, 07:35:45 AM »
Yes it does.




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Offline Maverick

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« Reply #2 on: December 17, 2003, 08:40:27 AM »
Race absolutely exists. We have the human race, just one. The components of which simply come in a variety of shapes and colors.
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« Reply #3 on: December 17, 2003, 08:45:17 AM »
Maverick for president!

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« Reply #4 on: December 17, 2003, 09:36:01 AM »
right on it saw :) I think its all about how we have to live (in poverty, or in rich) that brings good and evil things up.
It sounds easy but isnt that wrong.

yah skincolur can be confusing cant it ? :D (white,black,red, etc...)


edit : hmm that makes me a liberal again ? :rofl
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« Reply #5 on: December 17, 2003, 09:53:30 AM »
Maverick: We have the human race, just one. The components of which simply come in a variety of shapes and colors.

 We already have a word for that - "species" as in "single human species".

 There is no need to redefine a perfectly good term that means for humans the same as the term "subspecies" means for any other lifeform.

Race:
 - A local geographic or global human population distinguished as a more or less distinct group by genetically transmitted characteristics.

 - An interbreeding, usually geographically isolated population of organisms differing from other populations of the same species in the frequency of hereditary traits. A race that has been given formal taxonomic recognition is known as a subspecies.

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« Reply #6 on: December 17, 2003, 10:37:19 AM »
yea no need to define the difference between a chuahua and a great dane.

not like they can mate or anything ones 40 times the size of the other but they are the same species.

this p.c. crap is scary. hail the party line.


there are races  of man and they are different.

there are breeds of dog and they are different.


apes canines. ones touchy feely lovey when not killing his own species, one can lick his nuts.

about the only differences

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« Reply #7 on: December 17, 2003, 10:47:28 AM »
Well, a chuahua and a great dane can breed and produce fertile offspring. That's why they are considered different subspecies of the same species.

 That would require some artificial support, of course, but so does the breeding of some kinds of  bulldogs - which have to be delivered by C-section.

 One thing that is very illustrative in the example of dogs is hwo widely the breeds differ in mental abilities and character traits.

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« Reply #8 on: December 17, 2003, 11:04:38 AM »
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Well, a chuahua and a great dane can breed and produce fertile offspring. That's why they are considered different subspecies of the same species.

 That would require some artificial support, of course, but so does the breeding of some kinds of  bulldogs - which have to be delivered by C-section.

 One thing that is very illustrative in the example of dogs is hwo widely the breeds differ in mental abilities and character traits.

 miko


Can you imagine a great dane with the disposition and temperment of a chuahua?
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« Reply #9 on: December 17, 2003, 11:28:24 AM »
Yo quiero Haggen Dass.   Now!!!!!:D




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« Reply #10 on: December 17, 2003, 11:31:50 AM »
:) That would be scary.

 An illustative breed is Pomeranian, though in good sense - a furry dog the size not much greater than chuahua with a fox-like face that was bred to small size so fast that it still retained the instincts of a large dog.

  My neighbour's pomeranian bears itself with dignified silence and patience rather than constant yapping of small breeds. When my 70-pound boxer becomes too obnaxious, it does not hesitate for a moment to put him into his proper place...


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« Reply #11 on: December 17, 2003, 11:35:29 AM »
It depends on what you mean by race. Yes race exists in the sense that human genotypes show a pattern of clustering of similarities and differences that reflect the traditional racial divisions. If the human population mated at random, there would be no genetic subgrouping because the chance of any individual carrying a specific gene variant would be evenly distributed around the world. But this is not the case. Humans do not mate randomly because of a number of factors, including geography, sociology and culture.

But, in the sense usually implied by racists of inalterable groups with clear boundaries and no overlapping of traits, race certainly does not exist. Despite the factors mentioned above, individuals of difference “races” can and do interbreed, exchanging genes.

As miko pointed out, in this sense race is the same as sub-species in other animals (also called ‘breeds” in most domestic animals). For example, because of geography and the fact that pumas can’t afford airline tickets, a California puma is more likely to breed with another California puma than a Florida puma. That’s why you have different subspecies of pumas, each with certain characteristics.

Because of dog breeders, a Labrador is more likely to breed with another Labrador; a poodle in more likely to breed with another poodle. That’s why you have dog breeds with different genotypes and phenotypes. But the two breeds can still interbreed. That’s why you have labradoodles.

All sub-species (race, breed) level distinctions are somewhat arbitrary because members of the same species can exchange genes and interbreed.
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« Reply #12 on: December 17, 2003, 02:09:37 PM »
People are are just people.
Can't put anyone in a nice little box and say they are this or that.
We are all human.

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« Reply #13 on: December 17, 2003, 02:40:41 PM »
Then maybe we should call them breeds instead of races?

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« Reply #14 on: December 17, 2003, 02:54:29 PM »
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Originally posted by mrblack
People are are just people.
Can't put anyone in a nice little box and say they are this or that.
We are all human.

Get in the box, Mr Black.
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