Czechs choose JAS 39 Gripen over F-16

[FUNKED1]

Dude, he's Polish, what makes you think that he would hate bribery?  

[Ripsnort]

Originally posted by FUNKED1
Dude, he's Polish, what makes you think that he would hate bribery?  

LOL!

A philippine gal I work with says when her mother came to America, she was asking for a drivers license and asking "who she needed to  pay" to get it, you know, no test, under the table.

[Ripsnort]

Originally posted by Scootter
My bad, but aint water pumps supposed to suck (on one side)


Love the line about catching up with 70's technology Funked.
We are getting rid of them also replaceing them with the JSF.

Not to nitpick, but I believe the JSF is the future replacement for AV-8's and F-18's (however, the newer F18's will go another 20 years, and they're slowly replacing the F-14's)  The F-22 is ultimately the replacement for the F-15 and F-16, fewer are needed as the Pentagon plans to spend 14 billion over the next 10 or so years in completely revamping warfare as we know it today. Think Drone. Nice boost for Boeings military division I might add.

[Scootter]

Originally posted by Ripsnort
Not to nitpick, but I believe the JSF is the future replacement for AV-8's and F-18's (however, the newer F18's will go another 20 years, and they're slowly replacing the F-14's)  The F-22 is ultimately the replacement for the F-15 and F-16, fewer are needed as the Pentagon plans to spend 14 billion over the next 10 or so years in completely revamping warfare as we know it today. Think Drone. Nice boost for Boeings military division I might add.

nope

While we is picken nits the F-22 is to replace the f-15 the USAF is replacing the A-10 and the F-16 with the JSF the Navy the FA-18a-c and The USMC the AV-8b and the Fa-18. Just saw it on Discovery Wings

you should know this stuff  


http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/jsf/

http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/jsf/jsf12.html


The Joint Strike Fighter, the JSF, is being developed by Lockheed Martin Aeronautics Company for the US Air Force, Navy and Marine Corps and the UK Royal Navy. The stealthy, supersonic multi-role fighter is to be designated the F-35. The JSF is being built in three variants: a conventional take-off and landing aircraft (CTOL) for the US Air Force; a carrier based variant (CV) for the US Navy; and a short take-off and vertical landing (STOVL) aircraft for the US Marine Corps and the Royal Navy. A 70 – 90% commonality is required for all variants.

The requirement is for: USAF F-35A –air-to-ground strike aircraft, replacing F-16 and A-10, complementing F-22 (1763); USMC F-35B – STOVL strike fighter to replace F/A-18B/C and AV-8B (480); UK RN F-35C – STOVL strike fighter to replace Sea Harriers (60); US Navy F-35C – first-day-of-war strike fighter to replace F/A-18B/C and A-6, complementing the F/A-18E/F (480 aircraft). In January 2001, the UK MOD signed a memorandum of understanding to co-operate in the SDD (System Development and Demonstration) phase of JSF and, in September 2002, selected the STOVL variant to fulfil the Future Joint Combat Aircraft (FJCA) requirement. Following the contract award, other nations signed up to the SDD phase are: Australia, Canada, Denmark, Italy, Netherlands, Norway, Singapore and Turkey.

[Mathman]

Originally posted by Scootter
nope

While we is picken nits the F-22 is to replace the f-15 the USAF is replacing the A-10 and the F-16 with the JSF the Navy the FA-18a-c and The USMC the AV-8b and the Fa-18. Just saw it on Discovery Wings

Don't give Rip too hard a time.  He lost his marbles when he found out Boeing wasn't going to build its homesick abortion of a plane as the JSF.

[FUNKED1]

Originally posted by Ripsnort
LOL!

A philippine gal I work with says when her mother came to America, she was asking for a drivers license and asking "who she needed to  pay" to get it, you know, no test, under the table.

This explains a lot of driving I see in the south bay...

[Scootter]

Did a bit of research on the JAS-39  

NICE AC

I see why they chose it, fantastic short field performance.

Seems like a great AC, nice job!!

Looks great, in a kick prettythang kind of way, not flowing lines as much as bulked up knife fighter.


Congrats. on your sale, hope you get more.

[Ripsnort]

Originally posted by Scootter
nope

While we is picken nits the F-22 is to replace the f-15 the USAF is replacing the A-10 and the F-16 with the JSF the Navy the FA-18a-c and The USMC the AV-8b and the Fa-18. Just saw it on Discovery Wings

you should know this stuff  


http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/jsf/

http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/jsf/jsf12.html


The Joint Strike Fighter, the JSF, is being developed by Lockheed Martin Aeronautics Company for the US Air Force, Navy and Marine Corps and the UK Royal Navy. The stealthy, supersonic multi-role fighter is to be designated the F-35. The JSF is being built in three variants: a conventional take-off and landing aircraft (CTOL) for the US Air Force; a carrier based variant (CV) for the US Navy; and a short take-off and vertical landing (STOVL) aircraft for the US Marine Corps and the Royal Navy. A 70 – 90% commonality is required for all variants.

The requirement is for: USAF F-35A –air-to-ground strike aircraft, replacing F-16 and A-10, complementing F-22 (1763); USMC F-35B – STOVL strike fighter to replace F/A-18B/C and AV-8B (480); UK RN F-35C – STOVL strike fighter to replace Sea Harriers (60); US Navy F-35C – first-day-of-war strike fighter to replace F/A-18B/C and A-6, complementing the F/A-18E/F (480 aircraft). In January 2001, the UK MOD signed a memorandum of understanding to co-operate in the SDD (System Development and Demonstration) phase of JSF and, in September 2002, selected the STOVL variant to fulfil the Future Joint Combat Aircraft (FJCA) requirement. Following the contract award, other nations signed up to the SDD phase are: Australia, Canada, Denmark, Italy, Netherlands, Norway, Singapore and Turkey.

Whoops! Okay, I haven't keep active on whats what, I was going of the top of my head (not much there anymore as Mathman points out!)

The strategy regarding the 14 billion dollar contract Boeing just received from the Pentagon using new technologies and drone aircraft should be interesting to watch.

[Makarov9]

I find the Grippen looks similar to the F-20 Tigershark.  Both beautiful aircraft.

Grippen:


F-20:

[mora]

I just wonder why our AF chose F-18 instead of those beauties. I guess the reason was greasing and/or Gripen couldn't be delivered when we needed them. We could still use a squadron of those but that will never happen.

[Nilsen]

I belive the reason for your choise mora was greater range and the security of two engines....something that was important for the finnish airforce because of climatic and range issues.

I read it on Jane's a few years ago.

[mora]

Yeah that's what they said when the selection was made.

There were several reasons:

-counterbuys
-assembly
-a very good offer
-2 engines
-range

But I still think that Gripen would have been a  better solution.Hornets are much more expensive to operate and that limits our pilots flight hours.

[Charon]

I get the impression that the US is pricing itself out of future global markets with planes like the JSF and F-22. There are some fantastic next generation aircraft to fill the price/performance void.

Charon

[Mini D]

The F-16 and F-18 are really the only two fighters in the last 30 years that the U.S. has offered up to the global market.   Both were designed to be cost effective to maintain and serve in multi-role capacities.  For the specialized planes, this hasn't usually been a consideration.

MiniD

[firbal]

Well, good news for Sweden but bad news for me. I work on the F16 production line. But we have enough orders to last almost 10 years. The Czechs could of bought the Block 60 model and would of still saved money and had a great aircraft for at least 20 years.
But I have to say the Gripen is a nice aircraft. Then I love just about any airplanes.