Author Topic: 70 years later and nothing has changed (Read 1831 times)

capt. apathy · « **Reply #15 on:** December 19, 2003, 07:57:52 AM »

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sounds like the major gen was just pointing out the obvious and whining about it - is he related to Clark?

I don't see him as whinning. he is pointing out what should be obvious and isn't to most. that while we are told we are fighting 'the war to end all wars', 'to make the world safe for democracy', and 'the war on terrorism'. what we are really fighting for is deffence contracts for boeing, oil deals for brown and root, and expanded markets for their rich buddys.

it's clearly aperent to anyone who reads this bbs that the facts of why we are fighting and who will gain what from it still isn't obvious to quite a few people. people who claim to 'know the facts' and are sure they're right.

Mini D · « **Reply #16 on:** December 19, 2003, 07:58:37 AM »

Hmmm... I thought America had been considered "Isolationist" prior to WWI.

MiniD

capt. apathy · « **Reply #17 on:** December 19, 2003, 08:01:18 AM »

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Hmmm... I thought America had been considered "Isolationist" prior to WWI.

I've heard that claimed a lot. but it's hard to explain how the spanish/american war was sparked by the blowing up of the Maine in havana if we where so isolated.

Yeager · « **Reply #18 on:** December 19, 2003, 08:12:54 AM »

I read and watched catch-22, I know all about it.

lord dolf vader · « **Reply #19 on:** December 19, 2003, 08:13:11 AM »

the thought of eagler calling a hornorably retired marine major general a "whiner" causes me a warm feeling inside.

another sunny day patriot.

support your troops!!! unless the stop goosesteping.

sad day for our country.

Yeager · « **Reply #20 on:** December 19, 2003, 08:23:50 AM »

towd needs a hug. DEAR GOD SOMEBODY HUG THE POOR DESPOT!

capt. apathy · « **Reply #21 on:** December 19, 2003, 08:52:35 AM »

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the thought of eagler calling a hornorably retired marine major general a "whiner" causes me a warm feeling inside.

one more thing that I'm not sure was mentioned in his book. he has 2 CMH's.

Yeager · « **Reply #22 on:** December 19, 2003, 09:01:31 AM »

what we are really fighting for is deffence contracts for boeing, oil deals for brown and root, and expanded markets for their rich buddys.
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And you think that you few, you precious few who have somewhat above average intellect, should be congratualed for coming to your awesome conclusions about greed and power while we ignorant masses are being led around by the nose by the corporate muscle men, making wars for oil and personal greed. Always been that way eh! since the beginning of time they say. The war to end all wars just a corporate sneeze was it?.......

I say your just believing what you think makes you look smart to your buddies still living at moms while ignoring the far greater truths about the cosmos and your itty bitty nonconsequential fart of an existance.

capt. apathy · « **Reply #23 on:** December 19, 2003, 09:32:59 AM »

so what do you believe?

we are in this war for honor? for the people of Iraq? and the fact that the money (our tax dollars) is going into the pockets of GW's friends is purely coincidental I'm sure, a fluke, no way in hell it could have been the point of this from the begining.

it doesn't take great intelect to figure it out, just follow the money. most people realise that the rich get richer and the poor get dead in times of war, that isn't rocket science it's a fact of life and has been for awhile.

what is interesting (if you bothered to read the book) is his ideas on what could be done to make a meaningful change to the situation. things like not allowing war to be a proffit enterprise. requiring companies to provide services the country needs in times of war without the insentive of outrageous profit (the same as the men who fight and die are asked to do.) let all in this country share equally in the cost of war and share equally in the profit.

General butler believes (and I believe he is right) that if these steps where taken war would become much less atractive as a money making operation and we could devote time, money and science, into directions that would benifit many more people.

what are your "greater truths" in your itty bitty nonconsequential fart of an existance.

the forward I quoted and the book I linked to where writen by major general in the usmc, over 33 years of service, 2 congressional medals of honor.

honestly I don't know (or even really care) what you do in your time away from the pc that makes you think you are tuned in to "the greater truths about the cosmos", but I'll go out on a limb and guess you wouldn't make a flea on the bellybutton of that man.

GtoRA2 · « **Reply #24 on:** December 19, 2003, 09:40:51 AM »

Smedley Butler was a great Marine, he earned both the Medals of Honor, he is one of only two Marines to ever get the Medal of Honor twice.

The other being Dan Daly.

I am not sure if any of the other services have guys who won it twice.

I would not doubt it though.

Regardless, this man earned every right to say what he believed, not that you need to serve to have that right. Clark is not even in the same ball part as this man.

Rank and organization: Major, U.S. Marine Corps. Born: 30 July 1881, West Chester, Pa. Appointed from: Pennsylvania. G.O. No.: 177, 4 December 1915. Other Navy awards: Second Medal of Honor, Distinguished Service Medal.

Citation:

For distinguished conduct in battle, engagement of Vera Cruz, 22 April 1914. Maj. Butler was eminent and conspicuous in command of his battalion. He exhibited courage and skill in leading his men through the action of the 22d and in the final occupation of the city.

Rank and organization: Major, U.S. Marine Corps. Born: 30 July 1881, West Chester, Pa. Appointed from: Pennsylvania. Other Navy awards: Second Medal of Honor, Distinguished Service Medal.
Citation:
As Commanding Officer of detachments from the 5th, 13th, 23d Companies and the marine and sailor detachment from the U.S.S. Connecticut, Maj. Butler led the attack on Fort Riviere, Haiti, 17 November 1915. Following a concentrated drive, several different detachments of marines gradually closed in on the old French bastion fort in an effort to cut off all avenues of retreat for the Caco bandits. Reaching the fort on the southern side where there was a small opening in the wall, Maj. Butler gave the signal to attack and marines from the 15th Company poured through the breach, engaged the Cacos in hand-to-hand combat, took the bastion and crushed the Caco resistance. Throughout this perilous action, Maj. Butler was conspicuous for his bravery and forceful leadership.

GtoRA2 · « **Reply #25 on:** December 19, 2003, 09:46:00 AM »

What is the name of the book? How old is it? I would love to read it.

capt. apathy · « **Reply #26 on:** December 19, 2003, 09:51:54 AM »

the name of the book is "war is a racket".
it's very short and to the point, just 5 chapters, 15-30min read.

my origanal post has a link to the complete text, I also have it in .doc format if you'd like it e-mailed to you.

GtoRA2 · « **Reply #27 on:** December 19, 2003, 09:56:35 AM »

Capt.
Can you email it to gtora2@hotmail.com

Thanks

Eagler · « **Reply #28 on:** December 19, 2003, 10:07:23 AM »

so..

during a war everyone should work for free?

I really don't see the point of ur argument nor the maj gen

capt. apathy · « **Reply #29 on:** December 19, 2003, 10:10:49 AM »

the point is that if the rest of us (myself included) where required to make even a part of the sacrifice that soldiers in the field do (just the restriction on income, not time away from home, risk to life and limb, or any of the big sacrifices, just the money) that those who have the money (and therefore the power) would have as much incentive as the rest of us to find a different solution.