Author Topic: Funkeds foregin policy 101 (Read 1467 times)

FUNKED1 · « **Reply #15 on:** December 20, 2003, 07:28:12 PM »

You're the one who said I should be complaining about human lives lost in Iraq... Lay off the drugs man.

Maniac · « **Reply #16 on:** December 20, 2003, 07:30:30 PM »

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Rip that's great and all, but I don't want to pay for it. Government is taking a huge percentage of the fruits of my labor (paycheck) and redistributing it to military contractors and services rendered to other countries who don't pay a damn thing. Maybe you want to spend a significant portion of your working hours in slavery to this end, but I sure don't.

As a response to this... Nuff said...

FUNKED1 · « **Reply #17 on:** December 20, 2003, 07:30:49 PM »

PS I'm not Polish. German/Irish/Redneck mix.

Maniac · « **Reply #18 on:** December 20, 2003, 07:31:45 PM »

That explains alot

FUNKED1 · « **Reply #19 on:** December 20, 2003, 07:36:39 PM »

Maniac, I'm not following your line of reasoning at all. Either I am not reading correctly or we have a language barrier. In either case I have not had chicken wings in 24 hours, and must go in search of nutrition, see ya.

Maniac · « **Reply #20 on:** December 20, 2003, 07:37:53 PM »

NP

See ya. Going to sleep myself...

FUNKED1 · « **Reply #21 on:** December 20, 2003, 07:41:50 PM »

Last try: Are you saying that taking out Saddam was a good thing, and I should ignore the economic cost of this action, because the human benefit was so large?

If that's your argument then my response is: Why shouldn't the cost be shared more evenly? The US spends a much larger percentage of GDP on military than does any NATO or EU country. Let them do their share.

Maniac · « **Reply #22 on:** December 20, 2003, 07:43:01 PM »

ok, give me 2 mins...

Maniac · « **Reply #23 on:** December 20, 2003, 07:47:16 PM »

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Are you saying that taking out Saddam was a good thing, and I should ignore the economic cost of this action, because the human benefit was so large?

I think it was a good thing that you took out Saddam for the sake of the Iraqi people and its close by neihbours.

And you should ignore the economic costs of this and focus on the losses of your American soldiers instead...

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If that's your argument then my response is: Why shouldn't the cost be shared more evenly? The US spends a much larger percentage of GDP on military than does any NATO or EU country. Let them do their share.

America will get every cent back from building Iraq up from Scratch...

What did i gain pearsonally from America taking out Saddam? why should i pay anything?

FUNKED1 · « **Reply #24 on:** December 20, 2003, 07:55:29 PM »

OK so you are saying that invasion of Iraq is justified by long-term economic benefits to the USA.
I think that's very cynical, and that people should not be dying violently to benefit our economy.

I would also say that our government is not authorized by the Consitution to fight wars for economic gain. They are authorized: "To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions"

Maniac · « **Reply #25 on:** December 20, 2003, 08:00:20 PM »

No im not saying anything about justifyed war or not, im djust adressing your money concerns thats all...

And if you think that the iraq war was not justified then you shouldnt even be thinking about the money issue, you should be thinking of your soldiers lifes instead...

FUNKED1 · « **Reply #26 on:** December 20, 2003, 08:02:40 PM »

Basically money concerns come down to this.
Taxation = slavery.
The government forces me to spend a certain percentage of my time working as a slave for them or else they put me in jail.
My money = my labor = my time = my life.
So I have a very personal interest in what they do with the tax money.

Worrying about soldiers dying is nice but it's not everything. It's noble to say that human life is priceless, but in the extreme, there is a price. If I had to pay double taxes for a year and no soldiers died (instead of a few hundred), I would consider that deal. If I had to pay 100% taxes for 10 years to save one soldier, no way, sorry. We can't just say that money doesn't matter compared to human lives, because it does, and our society makes these "transactions" every day in many ways that we don't even think about.

Maniac · « **Reply #27 on:** December 20, 2003, 08:06:52 PM »

So it all comes down to : Money is everything

FUNKED1 · « **Reply #28 on:** December 20, 2003, 08:08:04 PM »

No, read again, I edited.

Maniac · « **Reply #29 on:** December 20, 2003, 08:13:30 PM »

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and our society makes these "transactions" every day in many ways that we don't even think about.

Yes im fully aware on this, this we need not argue about... everyone knows that everyone on planet earth cannot have the same life standars as you and i for an example...

For people to be rich there has to be poor people...

This is getting too deep and i need some sleep, its over 3 o clock in the night here...