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« Reply #30 on: December 20, 2003, 08:15:29 PM »
Yep, we are way off topic.  I'm really hungry now.  

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« Reply #31 on: December 20, 2003, 08:15:57 PM »


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« Reply #32 on: December 20, 2003, 08:29:00 PM »
Funked, no one wants to pay the high cost of freedom, but most know the cost of freedom does not come without some sacrifice.

I respect your position, and I too felt the same way at one time in my life, but I changed somewhere between 1993 and 2001,

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« Reply #33 on: December 20, 2003, 08:41:04 PM »
Rip please explain to me how there is any significant external threat to our freedom, and furthermore please explain how spending such a ridiculous percentage of GDP on defense neutralizes that threat.

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« Reply #34 on: December 20, 2003, 09:20:13 PM »
Wow Funked.....I...agree.....with ....you (hey, that didn't hurt to say that :D )
Men fear thought as they fear nothing else on earth -- more than ruin -- more even than death.... Thought is subversive and revolutionary, destructive and terrible, thought is merciless to privilege, established institutions, and comfortable habit. ... Bertrand Russell

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« Reply #35 on: December 20, 2003, 09:20:23 PM »
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Rip please explain to me how there is any significant external threat to our freedom, and furthermore please explain how spending such a ridiculous percentage of GDP on defense neutralizes that threat.


Funked, prior to 9.11, I always told my wife that if a terrorist had his watermelon together, they'd set off  a nuke with the WTC as its epicenter.  You take out wallstreet, and all records, created a 7 trillion dollar problem, and you've taken the US to its financial knees, not unlike that of the former Soviet Union (with a miliary build up race instead of a catastrophe)  Apparently, Wallstreet and our central bank systems after taken action post-9.11 to prevent this sort of thing from happening, however the threat of a major city being devastated by a chemical, biological, or nuclear attack is enough to be "involved" in what is transpiring in the world, this include the occupation of countries such as Iraq, which recently has proven to be true regarding the Libya scenario recently.

There are people in the world today that simply hate us for our lifestyles alone, let alone lack of faith or lack of THEIR particular faith.  They will do anything, make up any excuse, to bring #1 down.  If you can't see that in todays world events, then maybe you should spend less time on the WRX websites and more time paying attention to current events.

Regarding our GDP percentage on defense, its minute compared to that of the former Soviet Union.
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« Reply #36 on: December 20, 2003, 09:22:49 PM »
Sorry Rip,
It isn't a jealousy thing. The terrorism arises out of hate and revenge, not jealousy.
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« Reply #37 on: December 20, 2003, 09:23:45 PM »
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Sorry Rip,
It isn't a jealousy thing. The terrorism arises out of hate and revenge, not jealousy.


Revenge? Please explain.

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« Reply #38 on: December 20, 2003, 09:35:40 PM »
Answer the question Rip.  Buildings falling down in Manhattan is bad, but it doesn't affect my freedom.  What affects my freedom is the government extorting thousands of dollars from me each month.
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« Reply #39 on: December 20, 2003, 09:39:57 PM »
I'll try best by giving you this scenario:

I don't think there's a single person here that wasn't horrified by what happened on 9/11. Even though most of us didn't really know personally the victims, we felt sorrow and hate for those behind the attacks. We want revenge to punish those responsible. We want blood. Ain't a jealousy thing.

The terrorists (pick any cause driven one, not money driven) choose to attack, not out of jealousy, but out of revenge for:
persecution, friends/family/just fellow countrymen being killed.
Anyone resorting to terror attacks esp sacraficing their own lives in a suicide attempt is not out of petty jealousy. It is out of extreme hate for what they feel has been done to them. It is their last avenue of action as they feel those that wield the real power do not listen, nor do they care for their causes.

Remember this point most of all. It is not what you think of your enemy that is dangerous, but what your enemy thinks of you.

Don't take my point here as justification for what those animals did to us on 9/11. I just understand that it isn't a jealousy motive that attacked us.

Bin Laden was interviewed awhile back by a PBS ( I think) reporter. It gives insight into the man's mind and his motives. I'll try and dig it up for you if you wish.

BTW, these terror attacks have been going on since the dawn of mankind, unfortunetly will continue well into our future. I hope we can end the needless bloodshed before we wipe all of mankind out.

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« Reply #40 on: December 20, 2003, 09:42:09 PM »
Hell, by Bin Laden's own admission, one of the biggest reasons for 9/11 is the bloated American military presence around the world, specifically in Saudi Arabia.
Let's stop using our military to artificially decrease the price of petroleum, and let American ideals like free enterprise and innovation take care of the problem.  I guaran-dang-tee you they will quickly lose interest in attacking us if we stop meddling in their military and political affairs.
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« Reply #41 on: December 20, 2003, 09:45:22 PM »
Yeah, he also made this chilling threat:

As long as the Palestinian knows no peace, neither shall the Americans. (something like that)
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« Reply #42 on: December 20, 2003, 09:46:19 PM »
Sorta dovetails into my foreign aid statement don't it?  :D

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« Reply #43 on: December 20, 2003, 09:47:08 PM »
PS there's a hidden Cracker Jack prize in my little policy list for the enviro-whackos.  :)

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« Reply #44 on: December 20, 2003, 09:50:22 PM »
http://www.albasrah.net/maqalat/english/khasbaghdad_e_16122003.htm



Good to see Baghdad Bob is employed again, I missed that crazy little fella.:D