Author Topic: Justice (Read 1054 times)

Boroda · « **Reply #30 on:** December 19, 2003, 01:24:03 PM »

Forgot to say: if it ensures a one-in-ten thousand chance of getting cancer - can someone please blow up a dirty bomb near my home?

"Someone set up us the bomb"

AKIron · « **Reply #31 on:** December 19, 2003, 01:30:01 PM »

Wonder how you'll feel when he detonates a dirty bomb in your city making it uninhabitable for several years and giving you a greatly improved chance of growing a nice big cancer?

If only there was a possibility we could get justice in our courts.

capt. apathy · « **Reply #32 on:** December 19, 2003, 01:42:09 PM »

nobody is saying this guy is 'ok' or that he should walk. just that he is intitled to due-process and if he has done or has tried to do the things they say he's done then they should have no problem getting a conviction.

charge him, convict him and sentence him. don't let him go just get on with the process.

Boroda · « **Reply #33 on:** December 19, 2003, 01:59:21 PM »

Usually the problem with this people held far enough from courts and civilian justice is that they can talk too much in public during the trial.

Frankly speaking I was surprised when Salman Raduyev was not killed in action but captured and sentenced to 19 years in jail by civilian jury. If you don't know who he is - he was a commander of a Chechen gang that captured a city in Dagestan in 1996, taking several hundreed hostages and making a slaugher in a hospital.

Elfie · « **Reply #34 on:** December 19, 2003, 02:13:51 PM »

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Originally posted by capt. apathy
nobody is saying this guy is 'ok' or that he should walk. just that he is intitled to due-process and if he has done or has tried to do the things they say he's done then they should have no problem getting a conviction.

charge him, convict him and sentence him. don't let him go just get on with the process.

I agree with this.

This court deciscion shows that the *checks and balances* still work

ravells · « **Reply #35 on:** December 19, 2003, 05:59:02 PM »

The death penalty should only be used in extreme cases.

AKIron · « **Reply #36 on:** December 19, 2003, 06:16:35 PM »

I always knew Sandie was the devil.

(one more post and this won't make sense)

ravells · « **Reply #37 on:** December 19, 2003, 06:45:19 PM »

justice? what is justice if it 'twere just a few men with powers greater than ours

miko2d · « **Reply #38 on:** December 19, 2003, 08:46:34 PM »

Err, guys. We only have an assertion of the government prosecutors that this guy is bad.

If the government prosecutors were always believed to be telling the truth, we would not have need for judges, juries and defence attorneys, would we?

It's not just JP who is entitled to due process - it's all of us who are entitled to due process. We all know what happens when a government can accuse, convict and execute a person on it's say-so. Iraq, Nazi germany, Soviet Union.

miko

Drunky · « **Reply #39 on:** December 19, 2003, 09:12:24 PM »

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Originally posted by Boroda
Just remember: the only people who died in Chernobyl catastrophe were the firemen who extinguished fire in the destroyed hot zone literately with their boots. They were walking on burning heat-emitting elements without even wearing insulated chemical defence suits.

Hasn't there also been numerous birth deformities around Chernobyl?

Dago · « **Reply #40 on:** December 19, 2003, 09:23:46 PM »

Miko, I hope you are taking notice, our system does have checks and balances. Sometimes it might take a while to work out, but it usually will. This is basically what I alluded to in an earlier post, this nations greatness is the sum of it's whole, and it's mighty uncommon that one man or one administration can change it permanently for the worse.

dago

Boroda · « **Reply #41 on:** December 21, 2003, 01:13:53 PM »

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Originally posted by Drunky
Hasn't there also been numerous birth deformities around Chernobyl?

It's not true.

"Everyone knows" means "it's not true" for me. 99% of the lies were backed up by this "everyone knows" sentence.

I had an interesting experience talking to my Mother's husband recently. You Western people have a dangerous habbit of believing all that media says, even worse then "ideal Soviet citizen".

This "dirty bomb" radiophobic media hoax is a good example.

NB: I don't think that this guy must be let go. The problem is that his intentions are what he must be jailed for. But his guilt must be proven by court.

In my Soviet school we were taught to have deepest respect to American democracy and all the democratic institutions. It's sad to see you moving away from the good achievements of your system.

capt. apathy · « **Reply #42 on:** December 21, 2003, 02:37:41 PM »

you don't have to go as far as chernobal to see what a dirty bomb could do. that was a run-away reaction situation, which is really nothing like a dirty bomb.

a dirty bomb would be a situation that would have waste and by-products being uncontained. for a bit of insight into this just check the cancer rates in richland, pasco, and keniwick washington. thyroid problems for kids born in the last 30 years there are something like 450% of national average. I've talked to people who have had 7 people come down with the same type of cancer all on the block they live on, (and just about every one in the area has a simular story, maybe not as dramatic as 7 on 1 block but extreame none the less)

Boroda, I always try to hear you out and realise that you may have insights into areas I don't know about. but on this subject I do know what I'm talking about. I've worked in the nuke power industry, I've been inside generators during fuel change outages (and taken over 1,100 mrem of dose in a 37 sec entry), I've been contaminated, and agresivley deconned.

I've been to the hanford reservation where most of our waste and byproduct are 'stored'(stored in the sense of the word that a teenager stores stuff in their bedroom), I've seen the charts that show where the waste was put, what tanks leaked(when they used tanks other times the waste was put in cardboard boxes and dumped in trenches, or just ran whole trains into the desert and burried them), I've been shown where the leakes they know of have spread twards ground-water and and how the direction of those ground-plumes corolate with cancer rates of people using well-water in the path of that waste. I've seen the diagrams of cancer and thyroid rates on a map and how the high rates areas look axactly like the wind directional diagrams when calculated with gasseous releases of radioactive iodines.

they have these little yellow plackard they put up whenever they locate a spot where waste was dumped, I've stood in the desert and looked off to the horison in all directions and seen these plackards looking like some sort of fluffied up crop fading into the distance as far as I could see. and the sickness rates in the sarounding area are much higher than the rest of the country. not 'signifigantly higher', as in 3%, 10% 50%. I'm talking about 100% higher, 300% and more.

I have to tell you, if they've managed to convince you that "Also, JFYI: small doses of radiation are good for your health.", or that a handkerchief could protect you from contamination, or that the wastes can't come in the form of acid, or base solutions that will eat through your skin and take the contamination directly into your bloodstream (and eventually to your liver, kidneys,pancreas,......), or that after an incedent the gov't (in our case the DOE) won't try to hide or mislable disease or death rates, and misslead or outright lie to protect the public opinion of the nculear power system, then you're the one who's swallowed a bit too much propaganda in this case.