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Offline Pongo

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« Reply #15 on: December 23, 2003, 05:13:32 PM »
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Not really, it could been alot worse damage and still floated, unless being crappy by the design, which I don't believe from todays destroyers.

The damage seems to be restricted in quite a small area and a destroyer should be able to deal with it.



Amazing pics though


quite a small area? what are you on? That hole is over 30 ft long and 30 feet high.

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« Reply #16 on: December 23, 2003, 05:38:55 PM »
Pongo,

Well, from what I see, the damage is restricted well within one section of the ship, so there shouldn't be too much trouble stopping the flood from sinking the ship.
Structucally it doesn't either seem severe enough to danger cutting the ship in two.
The ship was also repaired in considerably short time.

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« Reply #17 on: December 23, 2003, 06:01:57 PM »
look at the little people, war ships have been lost from way way way less damage that that.

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« Reply #18 on: December 23, 2003, 06:19:27 PM »
here are better (larger) shots of the operation involving the floating drydock
http://community-2.webtv.net/pdenman/COLE/

here are 17 others:
http://www.allisonsheart.com/vet/vet.html
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« Reply #19 on: December 23, 2003, 06:38:33 PM »
In a modern warship, that is not a killing blow.  In time of actual war(Miko), it would probably been able to continue it's mission with onboard shoring, at least in an emergency.

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« Reply #20 on: December 23, 2003, 07:50:23 PM »
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look at the little people, war ships have been lost from way way way less damage that that.



and people has learned

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« Reply #21 on: December 23, 2003, 07:53:23 PM »
"In the aftermath of the explosion, the crew of USS Cole fought tirelessly to free shipmates trapped by the twisted wreckage and limit flooding that threatened to sink their ship. The crew's prompt actions to isolate damaged electrical systems and contain fuel oil ruptures prevented catastrophic fires that could have engulfed the ship and cost the lives of countless men and women. Skillful first aid and advanced medical treatment applied by the crew prevented additional death and eased the suffering of many others. The crew conducted more than 96 hours of sustained damage control in conditions of extreme heat and stress. Deprived of sleep, food and shelter, they vigilantly battled to preserve a secure perimeter and restore stability to engineering systems that were vital to the ship's survival"


This doesn't sound like a "Day at the Office" to me.  The ship was in extreme danger of sinking and only saved by the professionalism of the crew.

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« Reply #22 on: December 23, 2003, 07:59:56 PM »
No question about that, but look to your history for much worse damage on warships and the role they played.

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« Reply #23 on: December 23, 2003, 08:09:35 PM »
Otto,

What else can you expect when theres a big hole on the side?

But sinking?  threatening, sure, but realistically? not really.
For a reason ships are divided into sections by internal bulkheads which prevents flooding from one section to an another and by a design the ships should easily take flooding into one section.

I'd be very surprised if Cole isn't made like this, as it's been a stantard on warships for quite a while already.

Biggest threat would been the fires.

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« Reply #24 on: December 23, 2003, 09:34:08 PM »
fishu is just pissed it didn't sink or blow up ...
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« Reply #25 on: December 23, 2003, 10:25:15 PM »
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fishu is just pissed it didn't sink or blow up ...


I'm sorry if it bothers you when someones are trying to think it realistically, instead of instantly saying "amazing it didnt sunk" when seeing a gaping hole in the side of a ship.
USS Cole is not a plywood ship loaded with guns, just to sink when there appears a hole in the side.
It is designed to withstand damage as much as possible for it's size and has a trained crew just for this kind of situations.
The crew did a good job helping their shipmates and preventing further damage for the ship.
However I do not believe it was in an immediate danger of sinking, since it *should* be capable of taking that kind of damage and even worse.

Besides it floated from the port to open sea where they could load it on the freighter.





More information in here: http://www.chinfo.navy.mil/navpalib/news/news_stories/cole.html
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« Reply #26 on: December 23, 2003, 11:35:04 PM »
Guys why are you arguing with fishu, He is the expert of all things military, just ask him.

I'd rather depend on the word of those who were there and telling how hard and long a job it was to save that ship.


Miko,

Does a "group" have a legal position to "declare a war" against a recognized national state? If so, then your premise might have some validity but I don't think they do. I believe a war is a violent conflict between political states. Could be wrong. Given that a state of war did not exist and cannot then it isn't an act of war.
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« Reply #27 on: December 24, 2003, 06:10:10 AM »
if slick hadn't reduced the fleet of naval tankers, shore re-fueling ( in a terrorist filled country) would never had been needed and 17 young lives would be here today to enjoy Christmas with their families .... and these pictures would never had happened.
Hope that fact is included in his "legacy".
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« Reply #28 on: December 24, 2003, 06:53:29 AM »
If you knew anything at all about warship design, you would know fishu is correct. Seems like you are disagreeing with just to start an argument.

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« Reply #29 on: December 24, 2003, 09:40:28 AM »
Maverick: Miko,
Does a "group" have a legal position to "declare a war" against a recognized national state? If so, then your premise might have some validity but I don't think they do. I believe a war is a violent conflict between political states. Could be wrong. Given that a state of war did not exist and cannot then it isn't an act of war.


 Self-recognised. We recognise whoever we want and refuse to recognise others and any other group of people can do the same. It's irrelevant in this context.
 Just because a bunch of people who declared war on us did not have an offcicial recognition from US government (which it did - it is on the list of hostile entities), it does not mean our military does not perceive it as a threat or treats them as civilians when it has a chance to blow them up.

 Al-Qaeda is a military organisation or at least it has a military wing. Which is a bunch or armed and trained people prepared to do violence.

 It does not even matter whether we recognise them as military or not because the notion of "terrorism" is defined by its target, not its isource. So as long as we recognise the distinction between our military and out civilians, that's all there is.

 Terrorism is a violent attack on civilians and civilian property for political goals.

 Attack of military on another military is just an armed conflict. More valor is attributed to people who (volunteer to) serve in military because they stand ready to be involved in such a violent conflict.

  Japain attack on Pearl harbotw as not a terrorist act. The french resistance' attacks on german soldiers were not terrorist acts.

 The distinction is only semantic - though it may have some legal implications - but I though that the right use of words is important, as well as honoring teh dead sailors as fallen warriors, not victims.
 Civilian victims would have left the premices if they expected the attack. The sailors would have stayed on USS Cole even if the attack was expected. That makes a huge difference.

 miko