Mad U.S. Cow ???

[mrblack]

MAD COW!!
Ok i give up what is hillary pissed about?

[_Schadenfreude_]

If you see any politicians or goverment agency employees stating that there's nothing wrong at all and prove it by going on tv eating a hamburger then it's time to worry!

[FUNKED1]

Originally posted by midnight Target
I'm guessing that BBQ in April will cost a little less.

W3RD!!!!

[Chairboy]

News flash, the cow came from Canada!

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3797510/

[udet]

thread title reminds me of my ex

[maslo]

Originally posted by FUNKED1
I blame Bush.

come on ... bush may be mad, but he isnt cow, is he ?

[maslo]

Originally posted by Fishu
So far it is only suspected.
In Finland theres been like 2 or 3 suspected cases but turned out negative in further tests.

he hehe

here it was 1 or 2 suspects and then it turned to be many and many of  possitve



correct me if im wrong but if human get this illness, there is no cure yet

[Replicant]

Russia, Ukraine, South Africa, Brazil, Mexico, Singapore to South Korea, Japan, Vietnam, Macau, and some European EU states have suspended/banned the import of US beef.  

The list already includes Japan, Mexico and South Korea - the three top importers of US beef which accounts for 80% of US export beef based on last years export figures.

[RTR]

something that needs to be noted here.

The only danger to humans is if you eat the brains etc. (IE nervous system products).

There is no danger from "muscle cuts", those cuts that we normally eat. Roasts, steaks etc. For most of us, contracting the disease is a non-issue.  The real issue is what this means to the beef producers of the world, and to the populations that do eat brains etc.

In no way am I trying to diminish the impacts BSI is having, just want people to understand that the chances of you or your family contracting this disease are practically nil.

RTR

[Replicant]

Originally posted by RTR
something that needs to be noted here.

The only danger to humans is if you eat the brains etc. (IE nervous system products).

There is no danger from "muscle cuts", those cuts that we normally eat. Roasts, steaks etc. For most of us, contracting the disease is a non-issue.  The real issue is what this means to the beef producers of the world, and to the populations that do eat brains etc.

In no way am I trying to diminish the impacts BSI is having, just want people to understand that the chances of you or your family contracting this disease are practically nil.

RTR

The problem is preparing the meat.  Most meat is infected when the saws/blades cut through the bones (spinal cord) and sprays good meat with the BSE.  

True, the chance of contracting BSE/CJD is pretty slim but nevertheless still a risk.

[Ping]

As long as downers are used in the food chain as freely as they are we are going to be running a huge risk.
 If it is so safe, why was a total ban placed on Canadas imports when our case hadn't even made it to the food chain?
 Changes still have to be made.


http://msnbc.msn.com/id/3802544/
{snip}
No mandate for quarantine
But no federal regulation requires a quarantine of meat from questionable animals during testing. The meat can be released into the food supply; meat linked to the the diseased cow discovered in Washington has been traced to at least eight states. While many in the beef industry endorse a test-and-hold process, which would require a quarantine, not all processing facilities withhold the meat during testing. Neither the USDA nor Congress have proposed a requirement for test-and-hold procedures.

{snip}

Meat recovery concerns
Mad cow concerns have also prompted renewed focus on an industry technique known as advanced meat recovery, in which machines are used to scrape or shave muscle tissue away from cattle bones, including the head and vertebrae.  

 
The process, which accounts for an estimated $150 million in revenue, has caused worry among regulators and safety advocates because of the recovered meat sits so close to neural tissue -- a cow's brain or spinal cord -- where the deformed proteins, or prions, that cause mad cow disease can be found.

A 2002 survey of producers using AMR techniques found that one in three meat samples was infected with neural tissue, notably bits of spinal cord. The industry disputes that figure, and the government began a more stringent inspection program this year. USDA has yet to issue new data, but the recent data actually shows an improvement from earlier in 2002, when three of every four AMR samples showed traces of contamination.

[Kisters]

Originally posted by RTR
The only danger to humans is if you eat the brains etc. (IE nervous system products).

There is no danger from "muscle cuts", those cuts that we normally eat. Roasts, steaks etc. For most of us, contracting the disease is a non-issue.  The real issue is what this means to the beef producers of the world, and to the populations that do eat brains etc.

In no way am I trying to diminish the impacts BSI is having, just want people to understand that the chances of you or your family contracting this disease are practically nil.

RTR

There is no scientific proof to that claim.
Check out what Prusiner (nobel prize for his work on Prions -agent causing mad cow disease) says about muscle cuts.
He might have biased interests (trying to have his testkit applied on all processed cattle) but still, there are absolutely no conclusive proofs regarding safety of muscle cuts from diseased animals.
Only experiments so far involve injecting little ammounts of muscle into rats brain, which do not produce the disease (little ammount of infected brain does), but still, its 1 animal model and concentrations etc etc can be all wrong.

Plus you have the processing issue.

Think of this as a matter of concentrations and chronicity of ingest.
Normally, CJ disease would appear on very old people, where proteins mutated naturally.
When cows get feed older cows/older animals brains, they increase the chance to adquire that mutated protein early on.
Same with humans. If they eat infected brains weekly, shortly they ll most probably suffer from it.
What if muscle cuts do have even tiny ammounts of the mutated protein? its chronic ingest might or might not produce the disease, but that is absolutely not proven yet.

What US administration is saying regarding muscle cuts has no actual/current solid scientific base at all.

[Eagler]

[cpxxx]

Actually I read that the cow was slaughtered and made it into the food chain already. Watch those steaks now!

I see lots of countries have banned American beef. Seems a bit of an over reaction. One cow hardly makes an epidemic.
To put it in context.  Here in Ireland ONLY 150 cases of BSE were detected in cows this year. God knows how many were detected in Britain in the same period. That sounds awful but in fact these are all older cattle and  safeguards are in place to prevent them finding their way into the food chain which as you can see is not true in the US yet.

On another point, here in Ireland anyone who has lived for a certain period in Britain is not allowed to give blood due to worries about passing on CJD. This applies to two of my sisters and my brother.  But they haven't started to act funny yet!

[maslo]

well question is if is BSE test in US mandotory or not.

They made public first case. Nobody know how many of their cows is infected. In fact, that infected cow was in US for a 6  years it could be may be 2