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GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #75 on:** December 30, 2003, 02:54:35 PM »

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Originally posted by kappa

How about pull out of our global interest... Bring ALL our troops home... Keep our $87 BILLION for our own national defence...

Do you think its smart to do this after our isolationism experience following WW1?

AKIron · « **Reply #76 on:** December 30, 2003, 02:56:02 PM »

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Originally posted by kappa
I dunno the answers Grun... I just know we have been 'influencing' ME affairs for decades.. It seems to get us no-where...

I don't think that's true. If not for our meddling who knows what we'd be paying for oil? Americans are pretty selfish, wonder how many that have posted in this thread drive a gas guzzler or SUV?

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #77 on:** December 30, 2003, 02:59:38 PM »

Is Gscholz officaly siding himself with Osama Bin Laden on this whole 911 and terrorism thing?

kappa · « **Reply #78 on:** December 30, 2003, 03:06:23 PM »

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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Do you think its smart to do this after our isolationism experience following WW1?

what experience following WW1? Not being ready for WW2? As I recall we won that war... What ever you refer too cant be that bad of a policy....

This could be rough but bear w/ me a min Grun...

Your 16yrs old living in Iraqi.. America, whilst freeing you from an oppressive government (the only government you have known), has bombed and killed your family.... All of them...
Are you:

A. Happy with america
B. Willing to die to kill and american

If we killed every alqueda (sp) terrorist in the world today, we are still behind because we are creating our enemy faster than we could possibly destroy it.. Everything BL preaches about America being the oppressor to Muslims is being proven true... not to you and me... but the folks that matter.... the muslims... A country could not possibly when a fight like this...

Krusher · « **Reply #79 on:** December 30, 2003, 03:08:55 PM »

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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Is Gscholz officaly siding himself with Osama Bin Laden on this whole 911 and terrorism thing?

Get with HIS program, they are not terrorist, they are FREEDOM FIGHTERS !!!!!!

He still longs for the days when the Vikings were raping and pilaging.

kappa · « **Reply #80 on:** December 30, 2003, 03:13:41 PM »

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Originally posted by AKIron
I don't think that's true. If not for our meddling who knows what we'd be paying for oil? Americans are pretty selfish, wonder how many that have posted in this thread drive a gas guzzler or SUV?

A joke right?

How many lives again is cheap gas worth?

Its so hard to say or even attempt to speculate.. Had we no cheap oil/gas, perhaps the good'ole american know how could have built some sort of alt energy... Imagine just 25% of the money Exxon/Mobile nets per year actually going towards an american future... So many possibilites... Imagine just 25% of the national defence budget spent .... o dear the possibilities...

personnaly I think our country changed roads after the death of JFK and VonBraughs dream of going to Mars was axed in favor of the worlds largest 'defence' budget... VonBraugh died soon after.... we ceased to dream as a country during this time..

AKIron · « **Reply #81 on:** December 30, 2003, 03:18:45 PM »

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Originally posted by kappa
A joke right?

How many lives again is cheap gas worth?

Its so hard to say or even attempt to speculate.. Had we no cheap oil/gas, perhaps the good'ole american know how could have built some sort of alt energy... Imagine just 25% of the money Exxon/Mobile nets per year actually going towards an american future... So many possibilites... Imagine just 25% of the national defence budget spent .... o dear the possibilities...

personnaly I think our country changed roads after the death of JFK and VonBraughs dream of going to Mars was axed in favor of the worlds largest 'defence' budget... VonBraugh died soon after.... we ceased to dream as a country during this time..

Just curious, what do you drive? I drive a honda accord.

AKIron · « **Reply #82 on:** December 30, 2003, 03:26:16 PM »

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And you wonder why they hate you?

No, I don't wonder. I told you why they hate us. It really isn't just because we buy their oil and are interested in protecting our access to it.

MJHerman · « **Reply #83 on:** December 30, 2003, 03:30:08 PM »

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Originally posted by AKIron
I don't think that's true. If not for our meddling who knows what we'd be paying for oil? Americans are pretty selfish, wonder how many that have posted in this thread drive a gas guzzler or SUV?

But the invasion of Iraq was about the War on Terrorism...ooops try again.

But the invasion of Iraq was about WMD....ooops try again.

But the invasion of Iraq was about "freedom"....ooops try again.

For the record, I drive an SUV. If the price of gas went through the roof tomorrow, I would probably lose the SUV pretty quick. And I would be disgusted at the thought that my government would meddle in the affairs of an entire region simply to preserve my "right" to drive an SUV if that meddling resulted in thousands and thousands of casualties.

AKS\/\/ulfe · « **Reply #84 on:** December 30, 2003, 03:30:22 PM »

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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
That is true of course but the USA did not install him as you said before. But so what, why do you people think the constant repetition of varitaions on the line:

I never said we installed him. Who is "you people"? Who exactly are you trying to lump me together with?
-SW

kappa · « **Reply #85 on:** December 30, 2003, 03:31:21 PM »

I drive a Honda Accord and love it.. On the interstate I can drive 90mph and still get 27mpg.. 8)

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #86 on:** December 30, 2003, 03:40:38 PM »

Yeo people directly referes to people who parrot the "well we were allies with saddam/bin laden in the past so......"

You fit there quite well.

No you did not use the word install, but gave iraq saddam in the first place is the words you used.

Furious · « **Reply #87 on:** December 30, 2003, 03:54:00 PM »

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Originally posted by GScholz
And you wonder why they hate you?

Ok, you have given examples of why the muslim world might hate the U.S., now please tell us what are your reasons for hating us.

AKS\/\/ulfe · « **Reply #88 on:** December 30, 2003, 03:54:09 PM »

You are just lumping me into that group because its easier than actually understanding what I type out. We gave them the Saddam the world knows today, the US's foreign policy hasn't changed much since then. Put two and two together, well - we're probably just going to screw up their country even more when we pull out.
-SW

AKIron · « **Reply #89 on:** December 30, 2003, 03:56:17 PM »

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Originally posted by GScholz
Really?

This is complete and utter nonsense, do you think most Arabs even know how you live and worship your gods? Do you think they even care?

This is why they hate you:

They care very much that many do not worship their God. If you can't see this then you are blind.

You made a good point though I don't think you are aware of it. Most Arabs really don't know how I live or how I worship. However, they are taught from an early age to hate us as a corrupt and vile people.