Author Topic: War (Read 6257 times)

MJHerman · « **Reply #90 on:** December 30, 2003, 04:10:32 PM »

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Originally posted by AKIron
They care very much that many do not worship their God. If you can't see this then you are blind.

As do many fundamentalist Christians.

I don't believe that Islam is on a crusade to rid the world of infidels, regardless of how some fundamentalists may interpret the Koran and regardless of what some propaganda machine would lead anyone to believe.

But if actions and policies offend a society (such as support for Israel, maintaining troops in the Gulf, exporting a culture which a religious group finds offensive, etc.) do you really think that occupying a Muslim nation, further imposing your values and ideals and, when the people resist, shooting them, is going to make the situation better?

If this is in fact a "Holy War" you better be prepared to either (a) shed a lot of blood over the next few decades or (b) simply eradicate the problem in its entirety.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #91 on:** December 30, 2003, 04:15:55 PM »

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Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe
You are just lumping me into that group because its easier than actually understanding what I type out. We gave them the Saddam the world knows today, the US's foreign policy hasn't changed much since then. Put two and two together, well - we're probably just going to screw up their country even more when we pull out.
-SW

I hope you arent saying before the USA started dealing with Saddam in the 1980s beacuse of Iran that he or the Baath party were nice guys?

US foreign policy hasnt changed much since when, the 1980s? You cant be serious...

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #92 on:** December 30, 2003, 04:17:38 PM »

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Originally posted by GScholz
I don't ... well perhaps some of you. The almighty "we do nothing wrong only good" crowd that is constantly baffled by how and why people hate you for what you do, and the cynical "we are right because we can do whatever we want" crowd that readily accepts the deaths of innocents and the oppression of peoples as acceptable sacrifices for selfish materialistic gains.

The rest of you are good folk.

Phew the mighty Norwegian god of all that is just has ruled upon us and dcreed those who are good and evil in the USA...

AKIron · « **Reply #93 on:** December 30, 2003, 04:25:47 PM »

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Originally posted by GScholz
Not from my (first hand) experience with Arabs. I've had countless discussions with Arabs from Egypt, Palestine and Saudi Arabia, even religious discussions, and they were very reasonable, polite and respectful people, even towards a "Godless" man like myself.

Yes. Taught by experience more than anything else.

You aren't the only one that's spent time with middle easterners. I have found them to be regular people too. And yet some them still murder innocent men, women, and children by the thousands while many more of them look on and rejoice.

You are obviously quite bitter towards Americans and so it seems pointless to try to reason with you. I bet you don't even fly american planes in AH?

MJHerman · « **Reply #94 on:** December 30, 2003, 04:26:51 PM »

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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Phew the mighty Norwegian god of all that is just has ruled upon us and dcreed those who are good and evil in the USA...

I don't get it. You asked him "Why do you hate us" and he provided his answer. You then belittle the answer to your question.

Why do "they" hate you? Perhaps it is a constant and continuing disrespect for the opinions and beliefs of others, and constant disdain for anyone who disagrees with their monolithic American view of how things ought to be and what "ain't" right with this world.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #95 on:** December 30, 2003, 04:27:52 PM »

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Originally posted by MJHerman
I don't get it. You asked him "Why do you hate us" and he provided his answer. You then belittle the answer to your question.

Why do "they" hate you? Perhaps it is a constant and continuing disrespect for the opinions and beliefs of others, and constant disdain for anyone who disagrees with their monolithic American view of how things ought to be and what "ain't" right with this world.

I didnt ask him anything.

AKS\/\/ulfe · « **Reply #96 on:** December 30, 2003, 04:28:06 PM »

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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
I hope you arent saying before the USA started dealing with Saddam in the 1980s beacuse of Iran that he or the Baath party were nice guys?

I am saying that we created the Saddam the world knows today through supplying him with weapons and WMDs. Would he even have lived past his war with Iran without our support? Probably not. If he did, I doubt his people would have been as afraid of him because he didn't have any WMDs. He and his party were never nice, but they wouldn't have been so dangerous without our supplies.

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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
US foreign policy hasnt changed much since when, the 1980s? You cant be serious...

Still support the lesser of two evils, turning a blind eye to our allies, thinking we can go in and change a country's government with a seemingly shoddy plan, veiled threats to certain countries (axis of evil).

Hasn't changed much.

Saddam needed to be dealt with, but it seems we rushed to war there. The plan of action after the cessation of organized (as much as they could have been) military hostilities to date seems to be a miserable failure.
-SW

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #97 on:** December 30, 2003, 04:29:29 PM »

Love that 12 year rush to deal with Saddam....

So if we cant support the lesser of two evils, what do we do - just ignore problems that face us?

MJHerman · « **Reply #98 on:** December 30, 2003, 04:29:35 PM »

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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
I didnt ask him anything.

Apologies Grunherz...I misread Furious' post as yours.

AKIron · « **Reply #99 on:** December 30, 2003, 04:32:26 PM »

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Originally posted by MJHerman
I don't get it. You asked him "Why do you hate us" and he provided his answer. You then belittle the answer to your question.

Why do "they" hate you? Perhaps it is a constant and continuing disrespect for the opinions and beliefs of others, and constant disdain for anyone who disagrees with their monolithic American view of how things ought to be and what "ain't" right with this world.

And yet who's the first "they" call to pull their fat outta the fire?

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #100 on:** December 30, 2003, 04:33:02 PM »

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Originally posted by MJHerman
Apologies Grunherz...I misread Furious' post as yours.

No problem.

What I was respond to was IMO GScholz's arrogance.

"The rest of you are good folk."

Was particularly arrogant especiallly coming from somebody who just wrote a diatrible balsting supposed US arrogance.

AKS\/\/ulfe · « **Reply #101 on:** December 30, 2003, 04:33:11 PM »

Amazing Grun, truly amazing. You are completely inept at understanding reality.

Just because its been 12 years since the first Gulf War, which we were there to protect Kuwait not to end Saddam, doesn't equate to 12 years of preparation.
-SW

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #102 on:** December 30, 2003, 04:33:56 PM »

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Originally posted by AKIron
And yet who's the first "they" call to pull their fat outta the fire?

America, so they can blame it for making any mistakes during the war!

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #103 on:** December 30, 2003, 04:36:33 PM »

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Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe
Amazing Grun, truly amazing. You are completely inept at understanding reality.

Just because its been 12 years since the first Gulf War, which we were there to protect Kuwait not to end Saddam, doesn't equate to 12 years of preparation.
-SW

Yes the 12 years of heavy sanctions, overflights of no fly zones, repaeted bombing raids and missle strikes, diplomatic pressure and support of opposition groups had nothing to do with US policy of wanting to see Saddam either change his attitudes or be gone from power... We gave him 12 years to figure it out, how much longer do you think we should waited?

Maniac · « **Reply #104 on:** December 30, 2003, 04:37:24 PM »

Untill you had a valid reason to go to war?