How to get a high rank

[Urchin]

Which tours are we talking about here Beetle?  I'm typically in the top 100 for fighter rank... I'd be shocked if I couldn't find a tour where I flew none of the "Big 4" and still finished in the top 25 for fighters.  Might have to go back a ways though, now I honestly don't care much.. I'm flying whatever makes my life easiest.


Actually, just got done checking.  I've been playing this game for almost 3 years, and there hasn't been a month I didn't fly one of the "Big 4" for at least one sortie.  So looks like your right, in my example anyway.

[Ack-Ack]

Originally posted by beet1e
The point is that no-one gets into the top 100 fighter ranks, without resorting to the EasyMode™ plane subset, ie P51/LA7/Spit ix.

Ahhh....more beet1e facts without substance...


Don't think any of these tours I flew the P-51, La7 or N1K2.

Tour 38: #31
Tour 39: #82
Tour 42: #35
Tour 44: #43

ack-ack

[beet1e]

ROFL! The highlight of my morning is reviewing the effects of my BBS time bombs. OK, a few things here...

Killnu, I see you answered your own question. At some time, you resorted to Spit ix and LA7, so you're disqualified from the contest.

Murdr said "You read the board as well as you read stats then. You can scream EASYMODE all you want and you will be ignored." ROFL! This thread had been read its last rites, until I came along and put back the sparkle. Since last night, I have elicited replies from 8 guys. I don't call that being ignored. And you are an LA7 dweeb. You got 12 kills in your Lala, but you died in it 6 times. Even I normally do better than that against the LA7 - largely because there are so many of them being flown by idiots. In your case, no further comment required.

Eskimo! Glad to see you racking them up in the 109F4. Tour 21 goes back a long way, before I started, and at a time when there were many fewer players than today, making it easier to get into the top 100. But I'm afraid that for the purposes of what I'm saying about the 100 highest ranking fighter pilots never getting there without flying the easymode subset, you too are disqualified. True enough, you got no kills in those planes, but your record is tarnished by the fact that you did fly the P51D, and died in it three times. Good effort, though.

Ack-Ack: "Ahhh....more beet1e facts without substance..." I refuse to believe that you're as stupid as you pretend to be on this board. I began to check your stats, and in tour 38 I note that you did not fly the easymode subset, but your fighter rank was 159 at the end of that tour, not 31. #31 was your overall rank. That's not what's being discussed here. I'm not interested to know how you manipulated the scoreboard using bombers, attack mode, vehicles and boats. We're talking about fighter planes and fighter rankings. You're a dolt!

Urchin: I thought your game ID was Urchin, but couldn't find your stats. So I can't comment. You said "I'm flying whatever makes my life easiest." Yep, you and about 3000 others.

And Steve! I agree that one night does not make an expert. My P51 history goes something like this. In WB, before the RPS, I needed to fly easy planes. So I started out with the Spit ix and P51. I found the P51 very easy because of the long range laser gunnery it had at that time, and its awesome performance - those 10,000' zooms. And I spent a morning clubbing zekes down below. They couldn't touch me. And then (places hand on heart) I thought this is no good. It's great for score but no challenge. And I looked for a different plane. I got on well with the F6F and finished one tour at #8. That night of the 27 kills was when my CO mandated that we should all fly the P51 for a squad op. I never flew the P51 again until a brief period in AH when I was still learning the game, and how to cope with much less teamwork and the cries of "it's my $14.95" etc. See that thread that I linked. So then I started to do OK again. You say I never got a k/d better than 4/1 - does that mean I got 3/1? Never knew I was even that good in AH. Once I got the hang of the game, and had learned not to fly with those who do not communicate, I was able to switch to other planes and dump the P51. Haven't flown it since for the reasons given. BTW it's not fair to compare your own k/h or k/s with mine. I can't fly in US primetime, so the arena is much less target rich when I'm on. But for you, I'll just say this. EasyMode™!

Yes, I said what I said, and I was careful in what I said. And what I said was that no-one gets into the top 100 fighter ranks without recourse to the P51/LA7/Spit ix subset. The only exception I've seen so far is Tarmac, and achieved it somewhat impressively in tour 45. Tarmac. Hey, even I can't be right 100% of the time!

[XtrmeJ]

to beet1e for taking time from his very busy scheduel to get up this early review, and reply to what has been said. He effectivly has prooven us all wrong, and not by insults but by actually doing some research. Refreshing thing when dweeb, cherry picker ect. litters chan 1 when they have no idea what in the sam hell they are blabbing about. Great Job Beet1e ur OK in my book:aok  as for the rest of you bright guys with a very low vocabulary, shame on you, you know who u are.

[killnu]

so... what your telling me is that if i didnt fly a spit9 or la7 (total of 15 kills), that i wouldnt of finished in the top 20?

[Load]

Tour  Rank

43      #2
44      #5
45      #9
46      #6
47      #5

Kills 2755
Kills in big 4: 39

LOL Beetle

Note: I have all my respect for Big4 pilots. Salute

KOSK

[jaxxo]

Wow this is great! Can someone look up my score and stats for me so I can drink coffe get my scores and read the bb at the same time. Stats are a joke. They are as bad as the rank system for measuring pilots stick skill. No where do they indicate deaths due to saving some teamates ass...goon hunting....going for that last troop as  he's entering maproom..or straffing a turret of a flak while c47 has town in sight. No to mention Sunday night rook gangbang. Tactical pilots rarely put themselves in a situation where they might get shot down....lose advantage and runaway is the theme there, and nothing wrong with that stlye its smart flying, as for the big 3 easymode planes..when i go into a fight outnumbered and with alt disadvantage..I want the best performance I can get. No time to grab 25k.

[Zanth]

Originally posted by jaxxo
Wow this is great! Can someone look up my score and stats for me so I can drink coffe get my scores and read the bb at the same time. Stats are a joke. They are as bad as the rank system for measuring pilots stick skill. No where do they indicate deaths due to saving some teamates ass...goon hunting....going for that last troop as  he's entering maproom..or straffing a turret of a flak while c47 has town in sight. No to mention Sunday night rook gangbang. Tactical pilots rarely put themselves in a situation where they might get shot down....lose advantage and runaway is the theme there, and nothing wrong with that stlye its smart flying, as for the big 3 easymode planes..when i go into a fight outnumbered and with alt disadvantage..I want the best performance I can get. No time to grab 25k.

You are exactly right.

Until, or I better say if, the score numbers are weighted as is done with perks they are indeed just numbers.

I posted this before in another thread, but it applys here too:

Originally posted by Zanth
To stop the hoardes - and by this I assume you mean gangbanging - would be pretty easy.  Apply the same balancing priniciples to scoring as is applied to perks.  This would have much broader and far reaching impact on side balancing.
 

• a stuka killing a 163 would generate more points score than the 163 killing the stuka
• A P51 on the outnumbered side would generate more points for killing a P51 on the number advantaged side.

Do something like this and you will have a very strong incentive for players not to gang up and even gladly go to the outnumbered side.   It is also the "Carrot not stick" approach HTC likes.  This would harm no one, doesn't fool with anyone's flying style plane choice or the price of beer.

(Heck, score might even take on meaning when it reflects the difficulty of the task - i.e. the early war pilot fighting tougher odds *should* have more points) [/B]

[Icer]

Originally posted by Rude
I'm sorry Beetle....I didn't understand that this thread was about scoring.

Slapshot....as your CO, I order you to stand down and cease any further hostilities directed towards Beetle.

there...how's that Beet?

Sheesh.. catching up on my reading, and I see you blew Slappy right out of here!! I was just about to ask Beetlle how the gangbang feels but i'm gonna stay quiet.

I'm leaving now...

[Rude]

Originally posted by Icer
Sheesh.. catching up on my reading, and I see you blew Slappy right out of here!! I was just about to ask Beetlle how the gangbang feels but i'm gonna stay quiet.

I'm leaving now...

Well Icer....poor Beetle needs compassion....the last thing the mentally challenged need is harsh criticism.

I knew you guys would understand.

[VAQ]

Originally posted by VAQ
Yet the top ranked players in the game always espouse the "rank has no meaning" POV, and see themselves more akin to the feline caste system, which is more like a wheel with a high-ranking individual at the hub and the others arranged around the rim, all reluctantly acknowledging the superiority of the despot but not necessarily measuring themselves against one another.[/u]

Yeah, right...

A quote from a post on page 2 of this thread.  Underline added.

Two ways to look at this:

1) I was being sarcastic.  I actually believe that players regularly measure themselves against one another.

2) I was wrong.  Players regularly measure themselves against one another.

No offense guys, but after reading the last couple of pages of this thread I am ok with either choice.

Y'all have a good day

[Steve]

You guys can't leave the thread! This one is worth looking up.. ton's o' fun!!!(really)


Beet1e quote

You say I never got a k/d better than 4/1 - does that mean I got 3/1?

Ya dude, in a p51 you had 3/1 a few times and I think 4/1 twice (don't feel like looking again).  Quite respectable imho, but not clubbing seals. FWIW, I think a ratio of say.... 50/1 w/ a respectable K/H would be clubbing baby seals.  The K/D is easy to attain but one would have to resort to very cautious flying to get there, thus bottoming out in K/H.  
Beet, as I said, and from my own reference point, you have no right to put the 51 as an easy mode plane until you've put up some stellar numbers in it.  I'm not trying to be offensive here but, imho, your numbers have not been stellar in the pony.
Beet, let's wing 51's some time.  I can't promise we'll rack up a ton o' kills and we probably won't live, but I can promise that we'll find a fight and have some fun.

XJ,  Beet1e called AKAK  a dolt.  Unless you have a particularly negative opinion about AKAK (I don't) that is pretty much an insult.  So knock him off the saint list, k?

[beet1e]

Thanks for the replies, guys. I've been busy all day installing a security light on the outside of my house, plus an internal light in the utility cupboard. I say "all day". It was between my last posting and 4pm - the time which marks the end of usable daylight in Limeyland right now.

Now what have we here... Load/Kosk! Very impressive stats; you seem to know what you're doing with the 190D9. But alas, your record is tarnished for having flown all of the P51/LA7/Spit ix in recent TODs. Why bother? You could so easily become only the second pilot we've discovered so far to make the top 100 (or even the top 10) without your stats being sullied by the Big Three.

Jaxxo, like Zanth, I agree with you entirely. Flying for the scoreboard makes for boredom. I recently saw a friend get 17 kills in a 190D9. As he admitted to me moments later on private channel, 10 of those were vulches. You simply cannot judge expertise by a scoreline in isolation. I don't like vulchfests, and I don't want to have to rely on a long green bardar to get kills. In the past, I would have said that I was motivated by field defence - maybe dying a few times if it meant saving a field, or a CV. But these days, the attacks are mounted with such massive numbers that it can be pointless trying.

Rude said "Well Icer....poor Beetle needs compassion....the last thing the mentally challenged need is harsh criticism."

I think that was a little uncalled for. This whole Big Three debate got started when I said "I had been trying to interpret the MA scores yet another way. And that is to locate a player whose fighter rank was better than mine and who did not fly the Easymode/Big Three subset of P51/LA7/Spit ix, because I never do.  And what did I find? I couldn't find a single pilot who ranked higher than me who didn't fly one, two, or all three of those planes."

What is the problem with that? I can only think that you can't bear to see your beloved P51 dubbed as an EasyMode™ plane. Well tough cheddar if it's one of the only planes you can get kills in. I repeat, I flew it myself early on while I learned how the gaming pattern of AH differed from WB. It gave me much better survivability, but in my book it's down as one of the easier rides. Why else do you think so many people fly it? Looking for a challenge?  

You just can't stand it when I'm right about something. You and your ilk were always boo-hoo-hooing about the pizza map, and how "no fights" were to be found on it. I referred my stats which showed that even I could find action during the Euro Quiet Time. So then there was an insinuation about vulching - not by you personally, but by a squaddy. So then I posted films to demonstrate that actually there was plenty of action on Pizza without resorting to vulching. And guess what? You tried to redefine what constitutes a fight.

Now we're having a rank thread, and I have made my observation about the top 100 pilots who, with very, very few exceptions, make use (sometimes substantial use) of the Big Three. And I am right about that, and you can't stand the fact that so many of your kills are scored in EasyMode™. But most of all, you can't stand the fact that I am right. This has been going on a couple of days now, and the ONLY pilot we have identified to have finished in the top 100 and not flown the Big Three was Tarmac in tour 45.

The fact that you are now resorting to thinly veiled insults tells me that you know I'm right and you can't prove me wrong, and that you've run out of gas on the subject. I can see how that would stick in the craw. :lol

Steve - allrighty then, we can wing up. But can we choose a different plane? Also, I note that once again you make reference to k/h as if it were an absolute yardstick. It is not. It is a relative yardstick. As I have said in the past, many times, the Euro daytime attendance is typically between 70-130, whereas US prime time attendance can be between 500-600. Therefore the con density on a small map in Euro time is probably about the same as on the pizza map in US prime time. And we know how you guys whine about that!

[Murdr]

Originally posted by beet1e
ROFL
Murdr said "You read the board as well as you read stats then. You can scream EASYMODE all you want and you will be ignored." ROFL! This thread had been read its last rites, until I came along and put back the sparkle. Since last night, I have elicited replies from 8 guys. I don't call that being ignored. And you are an LA7 dweeb. You got 12 kills in your Lala, but you died in it 6 times. Even I normally do better than that against the LA7 - largely because there are so many of them being flown by idiots. In your case, no further comment required.

Thank you for bringing out my point on both counts.  You are being replied to because you are flat out wrong, and only wish to acknowlege what supports what you want to say, while ignoring facts that show your assertions are irrelevent.  However you appear to be the only one that does not comprehend this.  Making statements like you are, regardless of whether you are truely this dense, or just trying to bait, only shows your depth of knowlege never left the toddler pool.

You also appear to wish me to either lash out, or defend aginst your outragous accusations.  Fortunatly the other posters here have demonstrated their deep knowlege of the game, so it would be a further waste of my time to explain common knowlege, (something you would not recognize if it fell on you.)  As far as lashing out, I see no need for that either.  You are doing a find job describing what you are, my putting a name to it is unneeded.

[beet1e]

Originally posted by Murdr
Thank you for bringing out my point on both counts.  You are being replied to because you are flat out wrong

Flat out wrong? Not just foot-resting-on-the-accelerator wrong? Let me remind you once again what I said, which was: "I had been trying to interpret the MA scores yet another way. And that is to locate a player whose fighter rank was better than mine and who did not fly the Easymode/Big Three subset of P51/LA7/Spit ix, because I never do. And what did I find? I couldn't find a single pilot who ranked higher than me who didn't fly one, two, or all three of those planes."  Can you find a flaw in that statement? So far we've identified one pilot who was the exception to this rule, several tours back. Or are you saying that the P51 does not deserve the EasyMode™ tag?

I have been discussing stats and scores, all of which are freely available for inspection on the HTC website. How can I be "wrong" about that? It's all there in black and white.