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Offline lord dolf vader

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« Reply #30 on: January 02, 2004, 05:02:07 PM »
i love double speak.

you say make it simple then go off on some tangent of twisted logic.


what was that line about zelots again?

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« Reply #31 on: January 02, 2004, 05:42:12 PM »
It wouldn't be fair to say that I hated Bill Clinton...at least, not as a person.  Politically, it would be hard to classify him as either conservative or liberal.  He would be more realistically classified as an opportunist, taking any stance that was to his political advantage.  For instance, I firmly believe that he unconditionally supported the women's rights movement.  However, this did not prevent him from exploiting women, both sexually and politically, at every opportunity.  He was as reckless with his philandering as JFK, whose minions had to spirit a female bombshell of a spy from east Germany out of the country to prevent a major scandal.

I digress.  I didn't hate Clinton.  He accomplished some good as president.  But this good was more than outweighed by the scandals that dogged his administration.  And I'm not talking about the sexual scandals either.  The personal files of 700 prominent republicans that the FBI turned over to the White House were an enemies list larger than Nixon's.  That scandal alone should have made a bigger splash with the press and the public than it did.  No one was ever held responsible for this or any of the other oderous escapades that came to light.  Heads never rolled in the Clinton administration.  

The people from his home state knew his character well.  His detractors, and some of his supporters as well, called him "Slick Willie" for good reason.  It seems like some of you big-city progressive types still haven't caught on.

As for Hillary, she isn't as personable as Bill, and doesn't try to be.  She doesn't hold her cards as close to the vest as her hubby, seemingly unconcerned whether or not the electorate knows her true political views or not.

Beware.  She is so radically liberal that her brain no longer possesses a right hemisphere.

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« Reply #32 on: January 02, 2004, 06:30:33 PM »
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I'll make it real easy for you then...


The tie-in for Bill to Hillary is obvious. She was an unelected member of his Cabinet.  


Let me make this REAL easy for you. Name 1 (just 1) cabinet post that an election is required?  At least Hillary did not have an astrologer on 24 hour call or have a drug rehab named after her. :rofl
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« Reply #33 on: January 02, 2004, 06:51:26 PM »
Please, just one example of something Hillary actually DID that could foster such hatred.

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« Reply #34 on: January 02, 2004, 06:57:12 PM »
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Please, just one example of something Hillary actually DID that could foster such hatred.


She uh.. uh.. she married Bill!

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« Reply #35 on: January 02, 2004, 06:59:51 PM »
hehe, ok then... two.

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« Reply #36 on: January 02, 2004, 07:26:25 PM »
1984 references and new age, sensitive men in touch of their feminine side coming to the rescue of a women who has a bigger dick than them.

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« Reply #37 on: January 02, 2004, 07:46:59 PM »
MT, no one is ever going to convince you to not love Hillary. I don't think it's my job to do so for that matter.

I don't trust her. I don't like her politics. What more reason do I need?

Anyway, Kappa is playing the ol' "War for oil" mantra, completely disregarding the previous administration's transgressions WRT warring with Iraq. Either both admins were right, or they were both wrong.

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« Reply #38 on: January 02, 2004, 08:01:42 PM »
"I like Fidel Castro and I like his beard too!"
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« Reply #39 on: January 02, 2004, 11:41:54 PM »
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MT, no one is ever going to convince you to not love Hillary. I don't think it's my job to do so for that matter.

I don't trust her. I don't like her politics. What more reason do I need?

Anyway, Kappa is playing the ol' "War for oil" mantra, completely disregarding the previous administration's transgressions WRT warring with Iraq. Either both admins were right, or they were both wrong.


Looking for where I said I loved Hillary..... nope.

I just don't understand the hatred. Lots of people out there who I distrust or disagree with. But no one seems to raise the ire of people like Hillary. Additionally most if not all of the "reasons" seem to be either "because I do" or based on dubious facts someone has heard.

My theory is that people are mostly just unable to warm up to a strong willed woman. Especially if she is a liberal.

Bill's actions WRT Iraq were appropriate for the times. GWB's actions may be appropriate also, based on the truthfulness of his "evidence"..... TBD.

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« Reply #40 on: January 03, 2004, 12:20:07 AM »
"Bill's actions WRT Iraq were appropriate for the times. GWB's actions may be appropriate also, based on the truthfulness of his "evidence"


When Bill repeatedly said Iraq had WMDs was he wrong or right? From what source did he receive this information and how truthful was his "evidence"? What did it consist of?


When Hillary made her October 10, 2002 speech on the floor of the Senate saying Iraq had WMDs. Was she wrong or right? From what source did she receive this information and how truthful was her "evidence"? What did it consist of?

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« Reply #41 on: January 03, 2004, 10:14:10 AM »
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My theory is that people are mostly just unable to warm up to a strong willed woman. Especially if she is a liberal.


See, there ya go. I have seen you state this several times, and I have seen people give you very clear and explicit reasons for disliking Hillary. You will then ignore them and say, "See? People just don't like a strong willed woman in leadership!" You've made up your mind about bias, and you aren't listening, therefore I personally don't feel a strong need to enumerate any reasons for disliking Hillary. You'll ignore them anyway.

There are plenty of examples of women in leadership that would not draw the ire Hillary has. In recent history, Eleanor Roosevelt would be a prime example of an activist First Lady, and she was largely revered. She was every bit as forceful as Hillary, but she had one quality (at least) Hillary totally lacks; a genuine desire to help others before herself.

Gyro- exactly. The same intelligence agencies were used in both cases, and it is clear Clinton believed strongly enough there were WMD capabilities in Iraq. Why else would he have attacked them with cruise missiles? If Bush followed the same intelligence agencies and entered Iraq, why is it this is war for oil? Either they were both right, or they were both wrong.

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« Reply #42 on: January 03, 2004, 01:28:33 PM »
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I hope the democrats nominate her to run for their party in every presidential election beginning now. It'll be great for the country.

Hillary in '04!


i hope you will have 'mad cows' disease under control, when she get power
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« Reply #43 on: January 03, 2004, 03:23:25 PM »
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Either they were both right, or they were both wrong.


Let me play devil's advocate for a moment...what if the strikes by Clinton DESTROYED the WMD and their production facilities. What would have been left for Bush to attack? Hmmm, could Bill be the better CIC by quietly taking out the threat?
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« Reply #44 on: January 03, 2004, 04:51:27 PM »
"what if the strikes by Clinton DESTROYED the WMD and their production facilities"

I would think Bill would have wanted to take credit for it, if that was the case. Something he never claimed was accomplished.