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« Reply #75 on: January 05, 2004, 09:14:07 AM »
Now here is something concrete.
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She lied about her role in the firing of the White House travel staff.


From a TIME Article dated January 1996:
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One of the sources of Mrs. Clinton's problems may be herself. In her 20/20 interview last week with Barbara Walters, the First Lady's answers were both forthright and unsatisfying. Did she demand the firing of the White House travel staff? Chief of staff Mack McLarty "took responsibility for the decision," she said. "I did not tell him to do anything." But while McLarty may have taken responsibility, it was administrative aide David Watkins who did the firings. And in the 1993 memo disclosed by the White House two weeks ago, Watkins wrote that he did it at her "insistence.'' As for McLarty, a 1993 note from White House aide Lorraine Voles, which emerged last week, suggested his motivation. Scribbling at a White House meeting, Voles wrote that Susan Thomases, a close friend of Mrs. Clinton's, told McLarty that HRC, meaning Hillary Rodham Clinton, "wants these people fired." And a McLarty chronology relating to the travel office has an entry, "May 16: HRC pressure."


Lied? Maybe.  Evasive? Absolutely.

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« Reply #76 on: January 05, 2004, 09:24:08 AM »
Hmmm... sorry, but drawing a comparison to Eleanor Roosevelt just doesn't work.  Let me explain why:

Eleanor handling the issue of negro pilots in ww2:
She insists that they should be put into combat... nobody was suprised by this from her.

How Hillary would have done it:
Hillary would have pretended she didn't say negros should still be slaves 1 year earlier as she triumphantly stood next to a black pilot for a photo shoot.

I'm not trying to say hillary was racist, but am trying to show her glaring political flaw.  She champions causes she was slamming the week earlier because public sentiment has changed.  Her presence at the NYPD Policeman's ball was a classic example, though I'm sure you'd insist the boos from the audience weren't really indicitave of an actual response to her presence there.  Her holiday visits to a military she's been extremely critical of and subsequent complaints about a chilly reception are another example.  But once again, I don't expect you to see it.  Much like I don't expect you to see anything odd in an "we are fighting to keep our veteran's hospital open!" "announcement" on veterans day.  No... hillary does things from her heart... what she feels is right... just like Eleanor did... right?

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« Reply #77 on: January 05, 2004, 12:44:55 PM »
I guess you missed my post right above yours.

And I didn't compare her to Eleanor, Kieren did.  I just commented on the comparison.

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« Reply #78 on: January 05, 2004, 12:56:19 PM »
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Whats your def. for a Marxist??


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: the political, economic, and social principles and policies advocated by Marx; especially : a theory and practice of socialism including the labor theory of value, dialectical materialism, the class struggle, and dictatorship of the proletariat until the establishment of a classless society


I don't have time to educate you regarding Hillary and her specific beliefs from her college years to the current day....if you interested in learning about what formed her opinions over the years, you might look into her background and her opinions regarding capitalism, the class system and what she believes the future of America should be.

You might be suprised....again, maybe not.

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« Reply #79 on: January 05, 2004, 12:58:18 PM »
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Just more Hillary hating. For no other reason than the Rush Limbaugh's of the world say so.


Not true MT....Hillary's views are radical...if you're not aware of that then try not to cast such a broad net next time.

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« Reply #80 on: January 05, 2004, 01:02:09 PM »
Maybe I did miss your point, but you're outright ignoring mine.

And... You actually cited Hoover as disliking Eleanor?  Hoover?  Just who DID he like?  Who DID he trust?

She is and will always be one of the most revered women in U.S. history.  It wasn't because she took a poll and then changed her beliefs to accomodate pollsters.  It's not because she changed 180 degrees at the drop of a hat.

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« Reply #81 on: January 05, 2004, 01:27:22 PM »
Now for those of you who find this to be right wing propaganda, ask yourselves this....is Dick Morris an outsider and a liar? Are the close friends of the Clinton's that I know also liars?

This woman has her roots in Marxist Ideology and radical change for our country and a one world government system...if that sounds good to you, then she's your gal....for me personally, I prefer the old fashioned United States, the Family, the Church and the community....all dying attributes, I still prefer them to her idea of utopia.


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« Reply #82 on: January 05, 2004, 01:45:17 PM »
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Thats pure BS... The worst they come up w/ is more pathetic sex scandals.. Even if any of it were true, we dont see Hillary sending US troops to DIE for american corporate interest...


I visited Arkansas about 15 years ago and had a session with "Ma'dam Hillary the Dominatrix."

It was rather good experience...

She gave me a spanking for being a bad boy and put me in a cell with her other slave, Baaad Bill, who apparently had escaped and was molesting secretaries in hotel rooms in the middle of the night.

I remember this so well, because it was around Christmas time and she forced me to wear a bit and bridle and prance around like a horse while she rode on my back adoring the tree with sex toys and condoms...

It's uncomfortable at first, but she's a strong and firm woman... a master and commander able bodied to subdue even the most truculant miscreant.

Deja vu to the White House blue room years later...as Aldrich's book points out.

Hillary isn't hated for her libral political views. That's just a ruse by her archnemisis Ma'dam Pain (who happens to be the real power behind the Republican party). Hillary is feared for her command and prowress as a dominant woman in a society wrought with small minded noodle envy corperate execs - who thrill themselves with goat ejaculators... a result of years of conservatism  and sexual repression and unenlightened reglious mass-culture programming.

Alas... the tinfoil is spinning....must go!

Never enough time to explain in depth the needed knowledge for understanding....

Back to Alpha Centari... got new earth specimens for the zoo master.

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« Reply #83 on: January 05, 2004, 01:58:19 PM »
"Now for those of you who find this to be right wing propaganda, ask yourselves this....is Dick Morris an outsider and a liar? Are the close friends of the Clinton's that I know also liars?"

Let me help you out here Rude....

Anyone that speaks ill of the Clintons is a liar, matters not who it is.

Any thing your friends say about the Clintons is hearsay and unsupported and of course lies.

Now go and sin no more.

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« Reply #84 on: January 05, 2004, 02:42:33 PM »
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This woman has her roots in Marxist Ideology and radical change for our country and a one world government system...if that sounds good to you, then she's your gal....for me personally, I prefer the old fashioned United States, the Family, the Church and the community....all dying attributes, I still prefer them to her idea of utopia.
 


Excellent page.. In the first paragraph references including Whitewater, Filegate, Travelgate, and E-mailgate were given. I find it funny that one person can be (not convicted) accused of so many things and ability of right wing Fed. prosicuters to append such a descriptive name for each offense.. These names scream out the want for attention. Publicly attempting to bring memorable scandels to her name.. It has worked well..

Abit farther down the page is an attempt of the page's authur to have money sent for his continued Hilary bashing.. As if, 'Look, I'll bash her 24/7, just send me your money.. Funny..

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Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.) believes in a world government under the auspices of the United Nations that will destroy American sovereignty and traditional families.  


A world government? You could also view her actions as trying to oversee a more cooperating group of world governments.. In order for the world to live in peace, governments have to work and cooperate together. By promoting activities such as 'World Citizenship' does this not promote world harmony? I dont see it as a grab for world control and power as the page's author would try to make you believe.

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A media black-out has kept most Americans in the dark about the support that  Mrs. Clinton and her husband gave to the World Federalist Association (WFA),  a controversial organization which openly advocates world government.


LoL  They call it a media blackout.. Anything like the Patriot Act 2 being signed morning after SHs capture?? Patriot Act 1 & 2 was more of an errosion on america than HC or BillC every dreamed..

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When Mrs. Clinton was urged not to attend the women’s conference in Communist China, because of human rights problems there, Abzug was among those saying she should go. [44]  Mrs. Clinton went.


Just amazing that this would make it on the list of 'terrible things' she had done. Yes, she must be a communist to support a women's conference in china.. But alas the fear word still works... communism...

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In Cuba, children are separated from their parents for extended periods of time and indoctrinated in Communist dogma.


Do they call it school?? Aren't all children indoctrinated in something? Are we to believe this author and assume Cuba is breeding thousands of little Carl Marxs everyday? Clearly soon they will amass the communist forces to overthrow the americas.. Just more fear preaching...

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American students are becoming “global  citizens” who lack knowledge of American history and American founding documents.


Fear speaks again.. As if american schools are teaching such things to start with. Jurors not only being able to judge the accused, but also can 'judge' the law. How many young children are taught that part of our founding documents? How many jurors?

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A federal survey discovered that only 41 percent of 4th graders could correctly answer a multiple choice question on why the Pilgrims came to America.


I bet less than that could point to the Congo in Africa. Is that Hillary's fault too?

I dunno Rude.. The first paragraph full of sensationalism kinda sums up the whole page for me... Perhaps she does have her roots in change, but change is coming. Like it or not.. We can only hope and attempt to control that change so it is in favor of the basic American and not hte basic american corporation that is steadly raping and moving outta country. Our country is quickly erroding into car dealerships (built in canada/mexico) and super Wal-marts... I suppose some could blame all that on Hillary...
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« Reply #85 on: January 05, 2004, 03:14:34 PM »
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They call it a media blackout.. [/i]

And ain't it odd that his web page hasn't been blocked or censored by the "media" blackout.

Fortunately, the internet is protected free speach where any crack potato, crack head, or just any quack may sprew off their own version of  "truth." so sayeth my dog Sam! by the way what's your zodiac sign?

I think Hillary is Newt in drag.... what's my proof? Ever notice they are never in the same room... never in the same photograph... kind of like Clark Kent and Superman... oh my tinfoil hat is hot hot hot tonight! I'm picking up secret signals from my informants now... stand by! Must receive!

Oh! I do believe ... I believe!!! I doooo Believe!

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« Reply #86 on: January 05, 2004, 06:11:32 PM »
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"LoL They call it a media blackout.. Anything like the Patriot Act 2 being signed morning after SHs capture?? Patriot Act 1 & 2 was more of an errosion on america than HC or BillC every dreamed.. "

Really, and how did Hillary vote on the Patriot Act ....Here's a clue, it wasn't no.

Also, read what the village voice thinks about the Patriot Act and what your other God, husband Bill had to do with it. Hardy a right wing publication.

http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0331/mondo3.php

"Political observers often have wondered why Democrats, especially liberals, didn't put up more of a fight against the Patriot Act, which passed the Senate with only one dissenting vote. Many thought it was because Dems didn't have the guts to stand up, and were afraid both to look unpatriotic and to risk defeat at the hands of the mighty Bush. But there may be another reason: The Patriot Act enhances major incursions into civil liberties that were sponsored by Bill Clinton in 1994 and 1996, including the setting up of secret courts and the launch of mass deportations"

Please feel free to hightlight all the reasons she voted for it, when she knew deep down in her heart it was the wrong thing to do. But voted for it anyways.

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"Our country is quickly erroding into car dealerships (built in canada/mexico) and super Wal-marts... I suppose some could blame all that on Hillary...


Hmmm...That sound alot like NAFTA....That would be her husband, Bill's fault...He signed it into law. But you knew that, right?

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"Thats pure BS... The worst they come up w/ is more pathetic sex scandals.. Even if any of it were true, we dont see Hillary sending US troops to DIE for american corporate interest.."


How did she vote on giving Bush the authority to deal with Irag?

It sure the hell wasn't no. By voting yes, she did send US troops to DIE for american corporate interest.

Please feel free to hightlight all the reasons she voted for it, when she knew deep down in her heart it was the wrong thing to do. But voted for it anyways.

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« Reply #87 on: January 05, 2004, 07:59:41 PM »
you guys are desperatly rationalizing a hate you have carried around for years. ever wonder why so many hillery jokes so far back?

the (appointed) president is a drunk driver ,(ex)? cocain addict, deserter. and a lier to and unheard of degree in politics.
 

and your worried about whitewater and travelgate?

occams razor says her morality or politics is not what they (people who tell you your oppinions) are worried about.

women get behind her and republican party is done and they know it.

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« Reply #88 on: January 05, 2004, 09:40:23 PM »
Wrong, I am not rationalizing anything. I don't owe it to you to do so. If someone asks why I dislike/distrust her, I'll tell them. I don't really care if you believe it or don't. As far as hate is concerned, nope; I just don't want her in a position of authority.

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« Reply #89 on: January 05, 2004, 11:06:11 PM »
Hillary in '04! If not then how about 2008? I'm serious, she'll certainly get my support for the democratic nomination.


Do any of you lefties really believe she has even the remotest chance of ever becoming president? If so, there's still hope. :aok

I bet LDV believes it.
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