Author Topic: geting kills in sinlge ENG bombers using the tail is easy look (Read 2496 times)

simshell · « **on:** January 05, 2004, 02:17:29 PM »

now everone thinks BN5 TBM are nothing but easy targets but iv found a way to make them more of a threat

ok this is what you do if you can

get on the deck talking like 15 feet here

then get in your tail gunner

and make a steady turn with the rudder and keep it there

and here comes the F6F hes going to have a hard time hiting when your on the deck then if you were 3k

and hes going to take time to try to hit you and he may even try to go on the deck with you

this well give you alot of guning time but you better make sure your aim is right

now aim for the wing or just 1 part of his plane

and you well hopefully kill him and shock him

as far as i no this is the best way to get kills with the tail gunner in single ENG bombers

and if you dont think this well work
iv got 4 kills in BN5 using the tail gunner on F4F's F6F's

and last night on a torp run i shot down a F6F in my TBM doing this

Ack-Ack · « **Reply #1 on:** January 05, 2004, 03:27:26 PM »

You've just been lucky that none of those planes you shot down were experienced players. Only the foolish and soon to be dead saddle up on the dead six of a plane with a tail gunner.

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Sway · « **Reply #2 on:** January 05, 2004, 03:31:27 PM »

Try that TBM crap on me I will vaporize it.

Hazard69 · « **Reply #3 on:** January 05, 2004, 03:43:01 PM »

Simshell....ever think of why that F6F did not attack you from the front? I mean tail gunned aircraft are the only ones where HOs are encouraged.....well maybe not HO...but upper forward quarter shots definitely..do more damage that way tooo....

simshell · « **Reply #4 on:** January 05, 2004, 05:05:13 PM »

look im just telling you all what the best way of killing aircraft with the tail is

when some one dies to a tail gunner its because they did not respect the tail gunner

but in most cases the bomber does die but as far as i no this is the best way to get kills with the tail gunner

by the way how many people are going to setup good gun pases on a TBM

and dont forget its kind of hard to shoot something at 10 feet off the ground and moving at 230mph

ack ack they died because they did not respect the great BN5 realy how many people respect its 1 7mm

one last thing its hard to get a good gun shot on something that low and turning so thats why so many people come from sixoclock

gofaster · « **Reply #5 on:** January 06, 2004, 07:19:42 AM »

He actually has a pretty good point.

Assuming both planes started at about the same airspeed and took off from relatively close aircraft carriers (let's face it - who in their right mind is going to fly a TBM as far as they would a B-17 or Lancaster? Usually the TBM comes into play when the fight is relatively close quarters, like during carrier battles and airbase captures), then both planes would be low and fairly slow. The Hellcat may not see the TBM low on the deck until he's already passed it on climb-out from his own carrier, in which case he would be chasing the TBM from behind and slowly gaining ground. Using a bit of rudder, the TBM pilot would force the Hellcat to use deflection shooting, and even though a single .50 isn't a match for six guns, by concentrating fire on one component that single .50 might be all it takes to saw off a wing or stabilizer. Plus, that single .50 would have a longer reach since it was firing "downwind" while the Hellcat would be firing "upwind".

If the Hellcat pilot took the time to get alt and airspeed for a front-quarter shot, that TBM might be in position to loose a torpedo at the carrier.

guttboy · « **Reply #6 on:** January 06, 2004, 05:23:36 PM »

Simshell dont listen to the guys that will "Vaporize" you....LOL

No offense but I love on occasion taking up the KI of death formation and using the "stinger" in the tail to rack up some kills...Most pilots in here are NOT that experienced....oh and by the way when our squadron did just that on the CV groups 3 tours ago or so the video proved what Gofaster said...by the time they get a "good" shot on you the CV group is obliterated.....

My 5 cents again but......

Sway · « **Reply #7 on:** January 06, 2004, 08:24:19 PM »

He should listen, i drool when i see a TBM.

Wadke · « **Reply #8 on:** January 06, 2004, 10:41:27 PM »

As a pilot of both F6F and TBM TBM is easy kill yes but can also be surprising at times with some speed (turnrate)....but a Hellcat pilot with any experience should kill TBM pretty easy... If i can kill a TBM in a Hellcat then everyone can because i am the sux in the Big Blue Thing

Ack-Ack · « **Reply #9 on:** January 07, 2004, 05:56:29 PM »

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Originally posted by simshell

ack ack they died because they did not respect the great BN5 realy how many people respect its 1 7mm

It's not a lack of respect that killed them but bone head tactics. No matter what type of plane it is with a tail gun, it's just not good tactical sense to engage that plane from a dead six position.

If I find myself in a position that my only chance of successfully downing the TBM is from the 6 position, I dive down below the firing line of the TBM's rear gun and then come up at it from below. This way it's impossible for the rear gunner on the TBM to track me because the gun doesn't aim below the tail.

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DFbarrel · « **Reply #10 on:** January 07, 2004, 08:04:13 PM »

lol simshell i'm never going in a 262 agains buffs again. you're gunnery is pretty good and ya scared me straight lol

Barre of *NDM* Nasty Dead Men

DFbarrel · « **Reply #11 on:** January 07, 2004, 08:05:06 PM »

that would be barrel not barre, i know there is a guy out there named barre

United · « **Reply #12 on:** January 07, 2004, 10:04:26 PM »

Barrel, where the heck ya been!!!!!!

Take that 262 against those bombers. Get a few 20mm shots on the stabilizer it breaks off and you've got a long agonizing fall for that buff.

(But dont attack it from the rear like you would a fighter!)

simshell · « **Reply #13 on:** January 07, 2004, 11:03:15 PM »

ack ack did you even read what i said

i said get like 10 feet off the ground there is no way a fighter can get out of the firing cone of the tail gunner from coming from below

and your right ack ack its not smart to come from 6 o clock but the most of the MAIN dweebs come from that angle because it takes time to make gun passes like they would on a big bomber and sense most people dont respect the BN5 there going to come from 6o clock almost all the time and when hes coming im going to point the tail at the aircraft

but 60% of the time they get me

now if you can tell me a better way of defending from the tail im all ear's

Ack-Ack · « **Reply #14 on:** January 08, 2004, 01:09:16 AM »

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Originally posted by simshell

now if you can tell me a better way of defending from the tail im all ear's

Never gunned in here so I'm the last person to give advice on defensive gunnery. I'm only looking at this from the fighter's perspective and what I'd do.

If you're on the deck denying me the opportunity of coming in from below out of your cone of fire, the plane I fly is fast enough that I can zoom past, pull into a zoom climb and then flip over and dive down on you. It would take the same amount of time as it would if someone came up on your six, if not quicker because all it would take is a single burst of a 20mm Hispano with 4x .50 cal rounds to take off your wing at the root. Of course, I'm just looking at it from the fighter's perspective. YMMV.

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